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I have deleted Bishop Ware from the list of modern advocates of this doctrine (albeit the intro did say "qualified" advocates). I think it's fairly clearly from his ''The Orthodox Church'' that he unequivocally rejects the salvation of all. See this online excerpt (look for the section titled "The Last Things" under the larger "Church of God" section): [http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/history_timothy_ware_2.htm#n3]. If anyone can find another place that he does seemingly argue for apocatastasis, post it here. [[User:Gabriela|Gabriela]] 23:24, September 17, 2006 (CDT) | I have deleted Bishop Ware from the list of modern advocates of this doctrine (albeit the intro did say "qualified" advocates). I think it's fairly clearly from his ''The Orthodox Church'' that he unequivocally rejects the salvation of all. See this online excerpt (look for the section titled "The Last Things" under the larger "Church of God" section): [http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/history_timothy_ware_2.htm#n3]. If anyone can find another place that he does seemingly argue for apocatastasis, post it here. [[User:Gabriela|Gabriela]] 23:24, September 17, 2006 (CDT) | ||
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| + | We really need to distinguish between those who hold a view identical to Origen's and those who more closely follow von Balthasar (Bp. Kallistos, etc.). Additionally, related articles on the salvation of those outside the Church may certainly be in order. Especially because the charge of heresy is such a serious one, we must be careful here to really establish what individual Orthodox writers have said, and '''provide citations.''' People have been falling on and off the list for awhile. I don't think a mere list is really sufficient here or does anyone much good without more detail and references. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk]) | ||
Revision as of 05:19, September 18, 2006
FrJohn says: Citations would be helpful!
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I changed the definition to actually reflect what apokatastais is, in that the previous definition tried to define it indirectly by referring to hell (which is NOT defined in Holy Scripture) and misleadingly associating it with the Roman doctrine of purgatory. A good deal more needs to be done to this piece -- beyond all the misspellings, I think there are factual errors concerning St Gregory of Nyssa, etc. --Fr Lev 11:41, September 17, 2006 (CDT)
Kallistos Ware
I have deleted Bishop Ware from the list of modern advocates of this doctrine (albeit the intro did say "qualified" advocates). I think it's fairly clearly from his The Orthodox Church that he unequivocally rejects the salvation of all. See this online excerpt (look for the section titled "The Last Things" under the larger "Church of God" section): [1]. If anyone can find another place that he does seemingly argue for apocatastasis, post it here. Gabriela 23:24, September 17, 2006 (CDT)
Distinctions
We really need to distinguish between those who hold a view identical to Origen's and those who more closely follow von Balthasar (Bp. Kallistos, etc.). Additionally, related articles on the salvation of those outside the Church may certainly be in order. Especially because the charge of heresy is such a serious one, we must be careful here to really establish what individual Orthodox writers have said, and provide citations. People have been falling on and off the list for awhile. I don't think a mere list is really sufficient here or does anyone much good without more detail and references. — FrJohn (talk)
