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In a monastery, a '''[[refectory|trapeza]]''' (or ''refectory''), is the dining hall where monks and pilgrims gather for food and conversation (although monks don't usually talk during meals). The OrthodoxWiki trapeza serves as the main discussion point for our website. Please feel free to join in—ask anything, suggest an idea, make a comment. We're glad to have you here.  For other, more specifically designated discussion pages, check out the [[OrthodoxWiki:Community Portal|Community Portal]].  [[Category:OrthodoxWiki]]  [[bg:Project:Трапеза]]   [[el:OrthodoxWiki:Τράπεζα]]   [[ro:OrthodoxWiki:Cafenea]]
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In a monastery, a '''[[refectory|trapeza]]''' (or ''refectory''), is the dining hall where monks and pilgrims gather for food and conversation (although monks don't usually talk during meals). The OrthodoxWiki trapeza serves as the main discussion point for our website. Please feel free to join in—ask anything, suggest an idea, make a comment. We're glad to have you here.  For other, more specifically designated discussion pages, check out the [[OrthodoxWiki:Community Portal|Community Portal]].   
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'''If you have questions or comments about specific articles''', please direct them to the Talk pages of those articles so that they will be seen by editors working on them.
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* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 1|Archive 1]], Feb 2005 – Dec 2005 (formerly the [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Anything_Goes&oldid=22917 Anything Goes] page)
 
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 1|Archive 1]], Feb 2005 – Dec 2005 (formerly the [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Anything_Goes&oldid=22917 Anything Goes] page)
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* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 3|Archive 3]], Oct 2005 – Aug 2006 (moved from [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&oldid=37962 Talk:Main Page])
 
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 3|Archive 3]], Oct 2005 – Aug 2006 (moved from [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&oldid=37962 Talk:Main Page])
 
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 4|Archive 4]], Aug 2006 – Dec 2006 (2006 Trapeza archive)
 
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 4|Archive 4]], Aug 2006 – Dec 2006 (2006 Trapeza archive)
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* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 5|Archive 5]], Dec 2006 – November 2008
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* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 6|Archive 6]], Nov 2008 – March 2011
  
 
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== Uncategorized Images ==
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== Holy Trinity Metafor ==
 
 
Hello,
 
I was wondering why in the uncategorized picture section of OrthodoxWiki there is pictures of the Pope? He does not relate to the studies or teaching of Orthodoxy ( At least not to my knowledge ). I know that there have been talks to try and create a greater friendship with the catholics and the Pope. But I still do not think there should be a picture of him on a Orthodox site. I am only 18 and I'm still trying to understand my religion more and I think people might get the wrong impression if they see the Pope on the OrthodoxWiki site. Am I wrong to ask this? Because on a earlier post I noticed that Dcn. Andrew said "OrthodoxWiki is dedicated to Orthodox Christianity." Thanks.
 
 
 
P.S.
 
This is a great website and I learn a lot from it.{{unsigned|OrlandoOrthodox}}
 
 
 
Although the Orthodox and Caholic churches are not in full Communion, there is often movement,in that direction. The biggest obstacle, to that happening is, antipapal feeling, coming from the radical wing of the Orthodox Church. This has been going on for decades. It's time to come together, and love one another, for all times.{{unsigned|Deacongene}}
 
 
 
== When does a hierarch begin his tenure? ==
 
 
 
According to the canons of the Orthodox Church, at which point does a hierarch ascend his cathedra?  That is, if he is elected by the flock of his diocese/metropolia/autonomous Church (where such elections are provided for) is he already considered to occupy his see?  Or, will he assume his post only after his election is confirmed by the hierarchal superiors?  Or esle, will he do so only after the enthronement ceremony (where such is provided for)?  In different lists of hierarchs I have seen different dates marking the beginning of their tenure.
 
 
 
I thank You for Your attention and ask, if possible, to advise Church texts to confirm this point. {{unsigned|INK}}
 
 
 
== terminology ==
 
 
 
The term "Oriental Orthodox" is problematic, since it seems like a euphemism designed to avoid the term "Monophysite." The word "Oriental" really means "Eastern" so the term does not really distinguish the two sides of the debate. Also, the use of the word "Orthodox" implies an acceptance of the Orthodoxy of the non-Chalcedonians, which has still not been agreed upon by a consensus within the (Chalcedonian) Orthodox Church. I know that the term "Monophysite" is considered offensive by the non-Chalcedonians. Unfortunately the term "Miaphysite," coined by some to replace it, is a neologism that just doesn't work in the original Greek (would "miagamous" do as a replacement for "monogamous"?) and, in my opinion, serves to obscure the real ground of difference that still seems to separate the two sides. Since OrthodoxWiki is supposed to have a "mainstream Chalcedonian bias," wouldn't the terms "Chalcedonian" and "non-Chalcedonian" or "anti-Chalcedonian" be more appropriate? <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Mariner|Mariner]] ([[User talk:Mariner|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mariner|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small>
 
 
 
:Hi [[User:Mariner|Mariner]], please sign you posts with three tildes, so we can know who is talking - thanks.
 
:In my understanding, the term "monophysite" is not just offensive, it's inaccurate."Anti-Chalcedonian" may be correct as a historical reference, but perhaps not as a theological descriptor. "Non-Chalcedonian" would probably be the preferred term in my mind. "Oriental Orthodox" is generally understood, and does not, I think, cause much confusion. It also seems to be the preferred self-designation of the non-Chalcedonian groups. I don't have a problem granting them that name here. I do not think we need to go heresy hunting. Let us set forth our Chalcedonian understanding of Christology. If they can accept what we mean by this (and WHOM we mean by this), I think we are well on the way towards reunion. We may grant that language issues and imperial politics had a role to play in the division.
 
:If you could document statements by non-Chalcedonian bishops and theologians who would consider Chalcedonian Christology heretical, I think we'd have more to go on in our conversation (and perhaps some of the non-Chalcedonian folks would like to chime in too). — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
 
 
 
==Why I am Orthodox==
 
I made a page when anyone can write some phrases to show why he is Orthodox (what is for he more atractive in Orthodoxy), why he haven't chosen an other belief (what aspects that he didn't like it has and it is absent in our religion), or, simply, some beautiful thought from his soul, concerning the Orthodoxy.
 
 
 
The advantage of this page is that '''there is not needing to wait a special state to write an article. Becouse each of us have such thought in mind and we have only to insert them here. This requires only a few minutes''' (If we have more complex thought, we are creating our new page!)
 
 
 
So, the page could become an '''ode to Orthodoxy''', poem in which anyone can contribute and find something good for his soul.
 
 
 
At the end of page there are useful links that points to sites that promotes the Orthodoxy values.
 
 
 
The page is named Why I am Orthodox... And not Protestant, Catholic, Budist, etc. Live Apologetics
 
 
 
[[User:Mircea Romania|Mircea Romania]] 02:46, February 19, 2007 (PST)
 
 
 
: That is an interesting idea, but OrthodoxWiki is an encyclopedia, and these recent new articles are not really encyclopedic.  Perhaps they might better be hosted elsewhere.  &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 15:36, February 19, 2007 (PST)
 
 
 
::Mircea, I would recommend checking out the forums section in the [[Online Orthodox Communities]] link here and trying your idea there. Besides the fact that the aim of this site is to be an Orthodox encyclopedia, you'd probbably get a much better response at an active forum. Honestly, the same few people tend to contribute a lot of the material here. [[User:Gabriela|Gabriela]] 19:04, February 19, 2007 (PST)
 
 
 
:Individual users may post things like this (within reason) on their user pages. I've moved the article there. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
 
 
 
== denominative aspects of Eucharist ==
 
 
 
Since '''Intercommunion''' is a central--for my point of view, ''the'' central--matter in (inter-)christian dialogue--since Eucharist is the heart of Ecclesiology, of our self-awareness as members of Christ's body;
 
and since this site is a place not only for Orthodoxes who live among other fellow Christians, but also for they among them who strive to understand our distinctive character,
 
i think it would be of great significance if the article dedicated to Eucharist was enriched with a section where the other Christian denomination's Theology and Practice about Eucharist will be presented.
 
Of course that is not possible to be in a detailed and systematic manner, but it could be, at least, focused on the rationale we Orthodox deny Intercommunion with them though we do not deny other communication-relation in love with them.
 
: [[User:Vassilip|Vassilip]]
 
 
 
== Question: Autonomous Ukrainian Orthodox Church and Alexandrian Exarchate in the USA? ==
 
 
 
Does anyone have any information about an Autonomous Ukrainian jursidiction that was recognized as an exarchate of the Patriarchate of Alexandria sometime in the 1980's? Any information would be appreciated. ---Leonidas
 
 
 
 
 
== Picture ==
 
Could someone explain me how to post picture in article. I hope that tomorow I will have Icon of Saint Sava of Serbia. ---Ddpbf
 
 
 
== A question about a prayer in the original Greek ==
 
I am doing some research in Church history, investigating the validity of the technique of "historical criticism" using linguistics. :I am in the Byzantine Catholic Church. :My question involves the Stichera for the Office of Great Compline used, I believe, on December 31.  It says,  "The magi coming from the East adored God made man . . . they brought precious gifts:  the purest gold as to the Eternal King." :My question is,  Is the term "purest gold" used in the Greek?  (Some critics say this is not a term used in the earliest ages of the Church.):Thank you for your kind attention.
 
[[User:MaryKNH|MaryKNH]]
 
 
 
You are referring to the third apostichon of the Great Vespers for December 31: Τοῦ Κυρίου Ἰησοῦ γεννηθέντος ἐν Βηθλεὲμ τῆς Ἰουδαίας, ἓξ Ἀνατολῶν ἐλθόντες Μάγοι, προσεκύνησαν Θεὸν ἐνανθρωπήσαντα καὶ τοὺς θησαυροὺς αὐτῶν προθύμως ἀνοίξαντες, δῶρα τίμια προσέφερον, δόκιμον χρυσόν, ὦς Βασιλεῖ τῶν αἰώνων, καὶ λίβανον, ὦς Θεῷ τῶν ὅλων, ὡς τριημέρω δὲ νεκρῶ, σμύρναν τῶ Ἀθανάτω, Πάντα τὰ ἔθνη, δεῦτε προσκυνήσωμεν, τῶ τεχθέντι σῶσαι τὰς ψυχὰς ἤμών.
 
Your question is about the term δόκιμον χρυσόν. Your translation of "purest gold" isn't literally present in the Greek, where instead of καθαρότερον or καθαρότατον there is the positive adjective δόκιμον. Δόκιμον can be translated as "tested" or "tried" and in this context has the sense of "refined". Thus, "refined gold" is the best translation. Of course, refined gold is not that far removed from the "purest gold". Nevertheless, the English superlative adjective is not literally found in the Greek. I hope this helps.  Leonidas
 
 
 
== IW ==
 
 
 
Can someone of sysops look on [http://sr.orthodoxwiki.org sr.orthodoxwiki.org] and try to make interwikis to work. Also this would be nice if someone will make Special:Statistic to work. All the best --[[User:Jovanvb|Joca]] 04:01, March 27, 2007 (PDT)
 
  
:Hi Joca, It's looking great over there already! I've fixed the interwiki links, and the error on the stats page should go away once someone actually registers a new account on that wiki - let me know if it doesn't! — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
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Hello,  
  
== rel="nofollow" for the links ==
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Reading about the material universe, noticed that there are 3 infinities (or mysteries) that define our world:
  
Can rel="nofollow" be removed from the <a> tags in the articles? This feature is enabled in MediaWiki by default to discourage link spam and vandalism.
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1. --- The immensity of space-time, the boundless universe than nobody can say for sure how big it is, where it ends. Sure there are some theories that are accepted by most scientists, but also big anomalies if you apply the theory, that need to be corrected with inventions such as "dark matter" or "string theory" to fill in for obvious gaps.
I'm not sure it would be a problem for OrthodoxWiki. Hopefully not, because it requires registration in order to edit pages, and unlike wikipedia, I haven't seen a lot of vandalism here.
 
Thank you! <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Alexei Kojenov|Alexei Kojenov]] ([[User talk:Alexei Kojenov|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexei Kojenov|contribs]]) April 12, 2007.</small>
 
  
:I'm not sure rel=nofollow is even useful for that. What it does do is reduce Google rank. I vote for disabling rel=nofollow everywhere possible, so consider this a vote for disabling it on OrthodoxWiki. --[[User:Basil|Basil]] 09:55, April 20, 2007 (PDT)
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2. --- The "small infinity" or mystery of the subatomic universe. We split the atoms in so many sub-particles, and the latest belief is that in fact all the matter is a concentration of energy. But where does matter end and pure energy begins?
  
::Sorry for the delay on this. I agree (especially when we require login to edit), and I've disabled "nofolow" on all OrthodoxWiki sites. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
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I may be overcomplicating here, but it's just so poetic to notice how the science laws of the big universe and the small universe are in disagreement with each-other when it comes to apply the macrocosmos laws to microcosmos or the other way around, as if God intended things to be mysterious and impenetrable for the human mind.  
  
==Images from Wikimedia Commons==
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3. --- The infinite complexity of life and intelligence. The connections in our brain are said to be more than all the stars in the universe. But how can this complexity come to be in only 4 billon years since our Earth is said to exist. This level of organisation of matter, first level: life, second level: intelligent life are both just unconceivable by science.
Do we have here some particular way to import images from Wikimedia Commons, or I must save first on my computer etc.? - [[User:Inistea|Inistea]] 15:56, April 19, 2007 (PDT)
 
  
:Fr. Julian, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you here. There are some automated import tools, but they're not worth the difficulty for smaller sets of images. For more extensive imports, check out the conversation at [[osource:OrthodoxSource:Photo_galleries]] and [[osource:OrthodoxSource:Images_for_Import]]. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
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I want to ask you: could these 3 "infinities" be a reflection of the Holy Trinity in the material world? Or what is the theological view about those mysteries?
  
== Two subjects:  Thank you, and A Correction ==
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Thank you
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Mihai
  
First, Thank you OrthodoxWiki for your wonderful article on St. Constantine the Great!  I only wish you could have included the entire icon of him from the Hagia Sophia.
 
Second, Thank you, Leonidas, for answering my question about a prayer in the original Greek.  However, upon further checking I am sorry to say that I inadvertently misdirected you to the Compline for December 31.  Please accept my sincere apologies for that.  The actual prayer that I am inquiring about is in the Propers for Great Compline of the Nativity of Our Lord, God and Savior, Jesus Christ, the third "Aposticha" rendered in English as: "When the Lord Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea, the Magi, coming from the East, adored God made man, and unfolding their treasures, they brought precious gifts:  the purest gold as to the eternal King. . . "  My question was, "Is the term 'purest gold' found in the original Greek?"
 
Thank you all, in advance, for any help you can offer.  With sincere best wishes in Christ, Mary
 
  
==edittools==
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I was thinking of adding a category to be called '''"Propitiatory Offerings"''' where all of the things that are offered to God can be grouped together, inluding: [[Artoklasia]], [[Kollyva]], [[Proskomedia]], [[Molieben]], [[Incense]], [[Myrrh]], [[Votive Offerings]], and things of this nature. Propitiatory Offerings in the Old Testament consisted mainly of sacrifices; in the Orthodox Church we have this new array of elements. Any ideas or comments? Is it accurate to describe it this way? Thanks and cheers. [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 20:34, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
  
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: Propitiation is a problematic concept for Orthodoxy and one I wouldn't be willing to endorse (e.g., I would never say, "We offer up incense as a propitiation to God").  That said, though, I've never heard of these things really being grouped together in traditional Orthodox writings. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 14:05, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
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I've created edittools for el.OrthodoxWiki, it might be usefull on en. or any other OrthodoxWiki. Ofcourse you can modify it accordingly in order to suit you special needs. On '''βελτίωση''' please add any template you have for article's improvement. --[[User:Kalogeropoulos|Kalogeropoulos]] 13:03, July 2, 2007 (PDT)
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:: Thanks for the clarification Father, cheers, [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 14:09, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
  
:[[:el:Mediawiki:Edittools|This]] looks like it would be potentially useful. For instance, adding Greek characters on the English-language version, and preferred diacriticals on the Romanian-language version are two ways I'd like to use this.  Does anyone have a reason '''not''' to go ahead and use these?  I will start playing around with some for en and ro [[User:Magda/Edittools|here]], and anyone who likes can come play, too, and/or offer comments on that talk page. —[[User:Magda|<b>magda</b>]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 15:11, February 28, 2008 (PST)
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== Calendar Days ==
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Greetings. I had a look over at Wikipedia at their Orthodox "Calendar day" pages, and I liked how the pages were set up; instead of a block paragraph, with all the daily Saints blocked together as we have them here, they list them in a neatly ordered list (with bullets). This list could even be arranged chronologically for that particular day (i.e. with the oldest-in-time Saints listed first, the most recent saint for that day listed last).
  
==Russian "Old" Churches==
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Here is an example from Wikipedia for [[w:June 4 (Eastern Orthodox liturgics)|JUNE 4th]]. I would like to go into all of our Calendar Day pages for the entire year (all 365 days), and make the change form paragraph to list form, for ease of reading and better visual (and chronological) access. Would this be okay / sound good / any objections? (I don't mind doing the work).  Cheers, [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 11:52, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
  
I'm a bit confused about the status of at least three articles:
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*Russian Old-Orthodox Church
 
*Russian Orthodox Old-Rite Church
 
*Russian Orthodox Oldritualist Church
 
Do these represent different groups?  Looking at the history of the [[Russian Old-Orthodox Church]] and [[Russian Orthodox Oldritualist Church]], I can see that there must have been something ... but that has mysteriously disappeared.  And the [[Russian Orthodox Old-Rite Church]] article, taken from Wikipedia, has an external link to the OrthodoxWiki article Russian Orthodox Oldritualist Church.  Clarification?  —[[User:Magda|<b>magda</b>]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 07:41, August 8, 2007 (PDT)
 
  
Magda, I don't know the story behind these articles, and I'm not an expert in this area. It seems to me they would all be "Old Believer" churches, though I suppose The ROCOR parish in Erie, PA is a former Old Believer church that now is part of the Chruch Abroad, but that continues to practice the old rite. There are also a number of different Old Believer groups -- I'm not sure how they are distinguished in terms of names. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
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I saw the following in my twitter feed:
  
==Conversion==
 
Not sure if this is the place for this, but here goes:
 
  
I have been wanting to convert to Eastern Orthdoxy for at least a year now. Eastern Orthodoxy to me seems to be the oldest church and probably the closest in nature to the original church of the apostles. The problem is that I have been brought up in a Unitarian/spiritualist home and lack knowledge of how to go about converting to Orthodoxy. If anyone here could help me I would be much obliged. --[[User:Gorig|Gorig]] 02:34, August 25, 2007 (PDT)
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:Hi Gorig, Thanks for your note -- may God bless you on your journey! I'd recommend visiting around to your local Orthodox parishes. Find one where you feel comfortable and talk with the priest there. If you want to say where you're located, maybe we can help point you to a church. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 10:18, August 25, 2007 (PDT)
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::Fr John's idea is definitely a good one; there's a list of parishes for every U.S. state on Orthowiki, so hopefully you can find one near you (or several, if you live in a large metropolitan area). But more specifically, if you're wondering what the actual conversion process consists of, it usually includes a series of catechism classes. How many and how long depends on your parish priest. When I began the process a couple years ago, for example, my priest held an after-Liturgy class two Sundays a month from October until April, when everyone in the group was baptized/chrismated (or bailed out at the last minute, in one or two cases). Each one lasted a little over an hour, and they covered basic theology, liturgics, a bit of ecclesiology, Orthodox spirituality, and lots of Church history. Of course, the detailed content depends on the priest, but you'll get the basics anywhere. Since you were brought up Unitarian, you'll probably need to be both baptized and chrismated, and a priest can tell you about doing so in due time. The best way to learn, though, is to go through a year of liturgical services, especially during Lent and Pascha. The Paschal service really is the best way to understand the heart of Orthodoxy&mdash;but you'll get there eventually(if you want, of course). Hope this helps. [[User:Gabriela|Gabriela]] 20:55, August 25, 2007 (PDT)
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:::Thank you for your help. I live in Laguna Hills, CA, by the way. --[[User:Gorig|Gorig]] 17:04, September 5, 2007 (PDT)
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== Toll-house theory ==
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[[User:JonathansCornerCom|JonathansCornerCom]] 12:11, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
  
Who can tell me what is the content of this theory and the orthodox view of it. [[User:Arthasfleo|Arthasfleo]] 01:25, September 11, 2007 (PDT)
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: It's been fixed.  &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 18:20, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
  
:Not I, but it looks like there are some pages here to look into: [http://orthodoxinfo.com/death/tollhouse_pomaz.aspx On the Question of the "Toll-Houses"] by Protopresbyter Michael Pomazansky. —[[User:Magda|<b>magda</b>]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 17:08, September 11, 2007 (PDT)
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Thanks! Great!
  
::OK. Thank you    - [[User:Arthasfleo|Arthasfleo]] 23:23, September 12, 2007 (PDT)
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[[User:JonathansCornerCom|JonathansCornerCom]] 22:41, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
  
== Formatting of "List of parishes in [state]" articles ==
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== List of Enlighterners/Illuminators/Equals-to-the-Apostles ==
  
As someone who occasionally uses the "List of parishes in [state]" pages to find a parish when I'm out of town, I wonder if we couldn't put forth a standard for formatting these pages to make it easier to find such information?  I'm from St. Louis, MO, and I've formatted the Missouri page so that parishes in a given metro area are all grouped together, with large headers for the metro area, and small headers for the individual municipalities:
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I realize that the purpose of the wiki structure is to allow anyone to edit. I hope OW will forgive my impertinence in merely suggesting (as opposed to creating myself) that it would be useful to have a list (or lists) corresponding to the different saint titles at [[ illuminator ]].
  
http://orthodoxwiki.org/List_of_parishes_in_Missouri_%28USA%29
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I've thought of this because an LDS poster on a message board I frequent challenged non-LDS to name five of our own missionaries "whose exploits rival that of the LDS missionary work."
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: I think the OW category 'Missionaries' covers this with an extensive list. An article over a list of missionaries would be rather long! [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 01:22, September 18, 2011 (UTC)
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: Thanks for the response WSK! I'm not seeing the category for 'Missionaries'...what am I missing? [[User:Jkotinek|Jkotinek]] 19:57, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
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: NM. Found it. = ) [[User:Jkotinek|Jkotinek]] 20:00, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
  
In this way, if you're going to visit St. Louis, for instance, you'll easily find all ten parishes in the area, not just those located in the St. Louis city limits.  Contrast this with, say, the Tennessee or Texas pages...
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== Confesion ==
  
http://orthodoxwiki.org/List_of_parishes_in_Texas_%28USA%29
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Where may I find info abour Confession?  I did a search for that subject & coldn't fnd it. After a long absence from Church, I returned in February 2012.  I've had four o five cnfessions snce then.  Every tme I try to confess, I'm often fogettng sins.  Dad told me it's okay to say "I can't recall others, but I read that it's not ok
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May 12, 2012
http://orthodoxwiki.org/List_of_parishes_in_Tennessee_%28USA%29
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Brooklyn, NY
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Thank you Irene Nikolsky
  
...where the font size difference between major cities and small municipalities is so small as to be barely noticeable.
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:: I think it's good to talk with a priest, but also you might find some helpful resources at http://stspress.com/ or http://svspress.com - — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 16:34, May 12, 2012 (HST)
  
:Please see [[Category talk:Parish Directory (USA)]] for a discussion on standard formatting for these pages. —[[User:Magda|<b>magda</b>]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 15:29, October 31, 2007 (PDT)
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== Basic Information ==
  
== Managua Orthodox parishes ==
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Is there a website that helps people and/or teenagers with basic Q&As about our religion?  I have teen son, who was baptized Orthodox.  Because my church is in Russian he doesn't want to go.  I thought if  I could find basic info for him, then he'd believe me that there are English speaking Eastern Orthodox members.
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Thank you,
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Irene Nikolsky
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Broolyn, NY
  
Please help me locate the names, addresses, and contact info for Orthodox (preference is English-speaking) parishes/clergy in Managua, Nicaragua. Thank you. Ed Freeman, Miami Beach, Florida, USA. Edinmiami@yahoo.com.
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:: Greetings Irene. Of course, there are A LOT of English-speaking (and non-Russian) Orthodox people -- For Q+A, you might try http://orthodoxanswers.org/ -- — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
  
==November==
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== Orthodox wiki stats ==
OrthodoxWiki commemorations in November :
 
*2004 : english parent-project started
 
*2006 : romanian project started (650 articles today)
 
  
Long life to the project ! Chronia pola! Mnogaia Leta ! La Multi Ani ! --[[User:Inistea|Inistea]] 06:12, November 14, 2007 (PST)
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Is there a way to look at statistics for various pages by day, week, month, and year? --[[User:Kalvesmaki|Kalvesmaki]] 16:03, May 17, 2012 (HST)
:幾年も! Mnogaia leta! --[[User:Cat68|Cat68]] 10:06, November 20, 2007 (PST)
 
  
Thanks for your post, Fr. Julian! It's a beautiful thing to me how Orthodox Christians from all over the world have come together to build these encyclopedias. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
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==Diocese evolution in North America==
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One aspect that I have had in preparing my contributions to Orthodoxwiki concerns an accurate presentation of the ecclesiastical structure of the Orthodox in North America. While sources concerning the earliest century, notably in the OCA 1975 publication, give a fairly clear picture of the founding of dioceses and vicariates, the last century is blurred.  
  
==Bad Behavior==
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Various sources seem to present a good picture of the history of the structure of the Greek and Antiochian diocese, but the picture within the Russian based organizations gets blurred as the twentieth century progressed. The history of the Russian mission to North America seems clear to the first decade of the twentieth century when the Vicariates of Alaska and Brooklyn were formed. As hierarchs were installed with sees named Canada, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Winnipeg, Montreal, San Francisco, Detroit, Boston, and others through the time of the Metropolia, apparently as Vicariates of the North American Diocese that commonly was called the Metropolia. The formation of any of these Vicariates as Dioceses came apparently only after the granting of autocephaly to the the "Metropolia" and, thus, bishops of these sees prior to 1970 were apparently "titular/vicar/assistant bishops, not diocesan bishops. A question in my mind is, were the bishops of the "ethnic dioceses" vicars or ruling bishops?
The "Bad Behavior" script was disabled by Fr John. So, welcome back and happy editing. --[[User:Inistea|Inistea]] 10:44, December 7, 2007 (PST)
 
  
==Good Samaritan reading?==
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The picture for bishops and dioceses of ROCOR in North America is less clear as to when the "titular" sees ceased being "titular" and may have become real dioceses.
  
Evrogite! I have a question which requires understanding of the church calendar(s): On what day of the year would the Parable of the Good Samaritan have been read in southern Siberia, a century ago? (Still the 25th Sunday after Pentecost? Which would have translated into what day of the year for them?) Thank you![[User:Zla'od|Zla&#39;od]] 00:12, January 4, 2008 (PST)
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Recent updates to articles about North American dioceses makes necessary a clear understanding of the evolution of the North American ecclesiastical structure so that Orthodoxwiki articles don't imply existence of dioceses before they came into existence. 
  
==Missing Biblical Saints==
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The above is my assumption of the history of the development of the dioceses in North America. Sources/references and text within articles that clarifies the evolution of the North American structure are needed to assure accuracy in the articles. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 05:07, September 12, 2012 (HST)
[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudia_Procula]] Wife of Pilate
 
  
[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longinus_%28Christian_mythology%29]] Longinus
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== GOARCH link URLs format ==
  
[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_and_Dives]] The poor Lazarus, if other than St Lazarus of Bethany
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One thing I'm constantly running into (and correcting as I go along) is the format of URLs leading to GOARCH's Online Chapel Saints pages being out of date (and leading to the "that page doesn't exist" message). They have changed formats at least once (maybe twice based on what I've seen here), and unfortunately, they haven't set any redirects, whether programmatically or via HTTP 301. (I've thought about contacting them about it, but haven't gotten up the nerve to do so)
  
Feast days? {{unsigned|Hans}}
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Example:
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* (old, broken way): http://goarch.org/en/chapel/saints/1180
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* (current way): http://goarch.org/chapel/saints_view?contentid=1180
  
I KNOW THESE! Just not off the top of my head. I can point you in the right direction for the wife of Pilate she is celebrated as one of the 7 Myrrh Bearing Women along with Mary Magdalene ... I have that Synaxaristi at home so I can not point you to her name ... or the date. However, if I can guess, they should be celebrated after Easter ... for sure! I will follow this up for you. I do not know much about Longinus but I am sure that their is a date we celebrate the poor Lazarus from the parable story ...again, this book is at home. Vasiliki [[Ixthis888]] 13:46, January 14, 2008 (PST)~
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I've pondered a bit about what should be done here. Obviously, one thing -- which I'm already doing -- is making the necessary correction every time I see one on a page. However, that's just a few out of the potentially ''hundreds'' of outdated links there could be. Something else could be developing a bot that would search all pages and update the links automatically. I don't know ''how'' to do that, but I know ''what'' they'd need to do. Anyways, I just wanted to bring it to everyone's (in particular the sysops') attention, as this is (warning: assumptions lie ahead) a widespread problem, and a potential hindrance from people getting the proper information (i.e. not knowing how to get to the right URL, or just giving up and saying "oh well, another bad link"). It may seem like a small thing, but it definitely means a lot to me, as I would hate for people to not be able to easily get to the information they need.
  
== Real presence of the Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ in the Eucharist ==
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If I can help, other than my edit-one-when-I-see-it method, just let me know. [[User:Paharwell|Phil Harwell (paharwell)]] 08:36, December 11, 2012 (HST)
Greetings in the Name of the Lord,
 
I have friends who have left the Orthodox Faith believing that Communion is only symbolic and not mystical.  They teach that believing the bread and the wine become the body and blood of Christ is to re-crucify our Lord, which to them is an abominable heresy. My desire is to find where the Apostolic and Church Fathers teach or refer to the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist in their writings, especially those writing prior to the Great Schism.  If anyone here can help me in this quest, please notify me by posting and by emailing me at jgfarmakis@fuse.net.
 
Thank you and God Bless you.
 
  
'''Response by [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 23:15, February 22, 2008 (PST):'''
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== Canonicity of Revelation ==
:This miracle occured at '''Lanciano, Italy in the 8th century''' (300 years prior to the schisme between the Orthodox Body of Christ and the Catholic Church) ... So, this miracle occured within the Orthodox Body of Christ ... however, by rights of Geographic location it is the Catholic Church who retained the possession of the eucharist. They recently submitted the Eucharist for testing ...read the followinc excerpt:
 
::Ancient Anxanum, the city of the Frentanese, has contained for over twelve centuries the first and greatest Eucharistic Miracle of the Church. This wondrous Event took place in the 8th century A.D. in the little Church of St. Legontian, as a '''divine response to a Basilian monk's doubt''' about Jesus' Real Presence in the Eucharist.
 
::During Holy Mass, after the two-fold consecration, the host was changed into live Flesh and the wine was changed into live Blood, which coagulated into five globules, irregular and differing in shape and size. The Host-Flesh, as can be very distinctly observed today, has the same dimensions as the large host used today in the Latin church; it is light brown and appears rose-colored when lighted from the back. The Blood is coagulated and has an earthy color resembling the yellow of ochre.
 
::Various ecclesiastical investigation ("Recognitions") were conducted since 1574.
 
::In 1970-'71 and taken up again partly in 1981 there took place a scientific investigation by the most illustrious scientist Prof. Odoardo Linoli, eminent Professor in Anatomy and Pathological Histology and in Chemistry and Clinical Microscopy. He was assisted by Prof. Ruggero Bertelli of the University of Siena. The analyses were conducted with absolute and unquestionable scientific precision and they were documented with a series of microscopic photographs.
 
::These analyses sustained the following conclusions:
 
::#The Flesh is real Flesh. The Blood is real Blood.
 
::#The Flesh and the Blood belong to the human species.
 
::#The Flesh consists of the muscular tissue of the heart.
 
::#In the Flesh we see present in section: the myocardium, the endocardium, the vagus nerve and also the left ventricle of the heart for the large thickness of the myocardium.
 
::#The Flesh is a "HEART" complete in its essential structure.
 
::#The Flesh and the Blood have the same blood-type: AB (Blood-type identical to that which Prof. Baima Bollone uncovered in the Holy Shroud of Turin).
 
::#In the Blood there were found proteins in the same normal proportions (percentage-wise) as are found in the sero-proteic make-up of the fresh normal blood.
 
::#In the Blood there were also found these minerals: chlorides, phosphorus, magnesium, potassium, sodium and calcium.
 
::#The preservation of the Flesh and of the Blood, which were left in their natural state for twelve centuries and exposed to the action of atmospheric and biological agents, remains an extraordinary phenomenon;
 
  
::I can only provide you with an article (google it for more information) that has some scientific basis to it, however, there are many tales of people who were passing by an Orthodox Church and happened to walk in out of curiousity (or whatever) and witnessed the priest 'slaughtering a baby'! To tell you of these stories would require much time and effort ... I hope that the miracle of Lanciano gives you some grounds to start a discussion. -- [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 23:14, February 22, 2008 (PST)
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27 January 2013
  
::PS ... Let us not forget what St Ignatius of Antioch said. he said that, Holy Communion is the “Medicine of Immortality”. Our Lord Himself tells us that if we do not eat His Body and drink His Blood, we have no life in us (cf.John 6:53), and He also tells us that “Those who eat My Flesh and drink My Blood abide in Me, and I in them” (John 6:56). Our Lord invites us to be united with Him at every Divine Liturgy by receiving Holy Communion - His Body and Blood. -- [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 23:18, February 22, 2008 (PST)
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I am in research on a book dealing with the issues surrounding the acceptance of the book of Revelation into the New Testament. (Definitely not an exegetical commentary – there are many hundreds of them already!) I would appreciate some advice on a specific area of research that is giving me difficulty: the history of Revelation’s acceptance in the Eastern church in the 2nd through 5th centuries, and perhaps later.
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In publications I have found so far, there is sometimes a distinction drawn between the acceptance of Revelation in early Western vs Eastern Christianity: acceptance was much more rapid and widespread in the West. I have yet to find, however, much insight into why acceptance was slower in the East. What was the nature of the misgivings that the fathers of the Eastern church evidently had? Who, by name, expressed those misgivings? When, how, and under what circumstances? What finally prompted the Eastern Christian churches to accept Revelation? Did they do so gladly or grudgingly? How do Orthodox Christians tend to see Revelation today? Is it often preached? Were there other issues or background that I seem not to have contemplated? Can you recommend books or articles that address these matters?
  
::::Type AB (IV in the Russian system) is the most recent of the blood types, having appeared during the Mongol conquests (type B Asians conquering type A's). If the blood of Christ turns out to be AB, then we must conclude either that Christ miraculously changed his blood type, or that the Holy Spirit is a Mongol.[[User:Zla&#39;od|Zla&#39;od]] 10:28, April 11, 2008 (UTC)
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To hit only some highlights, these are factors that perturbed the acceptance of Revelation in the Western church; perhaps they were voiced in the Eastern church as well:
  
Honestly, little of this has much of anything to do with Orthodoxy, which has always traditionally refrained from minute analyses of such things.  What does Jesus' blood type have to do with our salvation? Also, whether the Roman Catholic church truly has the sacraments or not is a matter for some debate within Orthodoxy.  In any event, it does not seem in keeping with piety to remove what's in the Chalice and to put it under a microscope!  &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 11:27, April 11, 2008 (UTC)
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• Questions of apostolicity.  
  
::If the blood tests had instead supported the icon's (or shroud's) authenticity, would you still have objected? [[User:Zla&#39;od|Zla&#39;od]] 00:05, April 19, 2008 (UTC)
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o     Revelation was probably written about 95 A.D. The disciple John (son of Zebedee) would have been quite old at this time, beyond normal life expectancy. There is reason to believe he died about 70 A.D.
  
:::Hi, I think that the point Father is trying to make, and this is the way Orthodox Christians tend to support their dogma, is that the real point of Christianity is not based upon science or mathematical proofs. What is important is the faith and the works ... he is also trying to stress that if one believes in God and also believes in the Holy Trinity, therefore Christ, why would you dishonour your own GOD by putting "Him" through scientific tests ... it is in a way extremally disrespectful to be 'testing' God ... its like subjecting your own family to medical tests its kind of not nice or right. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 00:12, April 19, 2008 (UTC)
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o     The Greek language of Revelation is quite different from the Greek of the Fourth Gospel, strongly indicating they could not have been written by the same person.
  
== Gelasius I of Old Rome, Acacian Schism, Hormisdas ==
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o     John bar Zebedee was not known to have had an oversight responsibility of the seven churches to whom Revelation was addressed.
[[Gelasius I of Rome]] and [[Acacian schism]] are linked in red in timeline of Church History. That is, they are linked to non-existing articles. At the end of Acacian schism the peace was made with [[Hormisdas of Rome]] who is not even mentioned.
 
  
Catholic Encyclopedia attributes to Hormisdas having submitted to Greek bishops the formula acknowledging Roman supremacy. It was quoted by First Vatican Council.
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• Questions of orthodoxy.
  
[[User:Hans|Hans]] 07:27, March 11, 2008 (PDT)
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o     Revelation shares characteristics with many Gnostic writings, especially in its good-evil dualism and its frequent focus on secret knowledge.
  
== American dates ==
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o     Revelation speaks of the Millennium, the thousand-year period after Christ’s return when all believers live happily with Him on earth before the final confrontation with Satan. This concept is absent from the Gospels and Epistles, and it is one of the reasons that Cerinthus (active in Asia Minor at the time Revelation was written there) was declared a heretic.
  
Is there a reason to use American dates for non-English projects? Perhaps this is useful for wikis in English, but for the rest it's a bit confusing to have these strange date patterns. I would like to request to set for Bulgarian and Macedonian wiikis in the LocalSettings.php <code>$wgAmericanDates = false;</code>. Thank you. Cheers, [[User:Gregg|Gregg]] 02:10, March 26, 2008 (PDT)
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o     It is not difficult to read in Revelation a theology of salvation by works rather than of salvation by grace through faith in Christ.
  
:I'm not sure about the local settings thing, but it seems that each language has its own titles for calendar days, at least. So, for example, today:
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Any insights or recommendations on the Orthodox perspective on the canonicity of Revelation would be most welcome. I expect to be in research for the rest of 2013, with writing in early 2014.
*el: 31 Μάρτιος
 
*en: March 31
 
*es: 31 de marzo
 
*ro: 31 martie
 
Additionally, each user can set the date and time preferences for himself. Sorry if that doesn't address what you're talking about. —[[User:Magda|<b>magda</b>]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 11:38, March 31, 2008 (PDT)
 
::No, this doesn't solve the problem, that's why I request this setting turned off. --[[User:Gregg|Gregg]] 01:07, April 4, 2008 (PDT)
 
  
:::Hey, this is a really good point Gregg, and very helpful that you gave the name of the variable so I didn't have to look it up. I've changed all the wikis except EN to "$wgAmericanDates = false;" In the future, feel free to get my attention more quickly by leaving a note on my talk page about this stuff. - — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 01:45, April 4, 2008 (PDT)
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Thanks very much
::::Thank you, [[User:Gregg|Gregg]] 12:45, April 4, 2008 (PDT)
 
  
== St. Vlad's pages ==
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David in
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Lexington, VA
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[[User:Mullerjrd|Mullerjrd]] 13:43, January 27, 2013 (HST)
  
Does anyone else have a problem getting to [[St. Vladimir's Orthodox Theological Seminary (Crestwood, New York)]]?  I can get to the [http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=St.%20Vladimir's%20Orthodox%20Theological%20Seminary%20(Crestwood,%20New%20York)&action=history history], but not to any of the versions, nor to edit anything. When I try, I get the following error:
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:: Hi David, Unfortunately I don't have any resources in mind (you might check more general Orthodox sources on Scripture). Basically, we do accept Revelation as a canonical book, but we do not read it liturgically and so it is relatively unemphasized (but still significant!). We do not accept "millennialism" and are basically "amillennial". I wonder if anyone else knows of specific resources that might be helpful? — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 21:43, January 31, 2013 (HST)
  
'''Fatal error''': Call to undefined function wfStrencode() in '''/home/owiki/public_html/shared/extensions/ExternalRSS.php''' on line '''206'''
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== Bible Text ==
  
—[[User:Magda|<b>magda</b>]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 15:15, April 4, 2008 (PDT)
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I was thinking what if we had the LXX bible on OrthodoxWiki, so you could read the bible used by the Orthodox on this site. -[[User:ShenLazar|ShenLazar]] 02:18, August 21, 2013 (HST)
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: Hi ShenLazar, I don't think this belongs on OrthodoxWiki, although it would be a great project for another site. Various versions of the LXX (Greek, English translations, etc.) are available elsewhere. There are links at [[Septuagint]]. Difficulties of putting the text here include the question of which translation to use, as well as copyright restrictions on some of the better ones. A more extensive article with links and a good evaluation of the differences between translations could be helpful though. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 23:20, August 24, 2013 (HST)
  
Magda, this is now fixed. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 06:28, April 12, 2008 (UTC)
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== Is Revelations 21:27 a good proof of Purgatory? ==
  
==French localization (français)==
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According to Revelations 21:27, "But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or cause an abomination or lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life"
The [[:fr:Accueil|french localization]] is released. If you speak french, please come help the new-born site.<br>
 
[[:fr:Accueil|OrthodoxWiki en français]] a été lancé à l'eau. Si vous êtes francophone, n'hésitez pas de donner [[:fr:Accueil|un coup de main]]. --[[User:Inistea|Inistea]] 23:37, April 8, 2008 (UTC)
 
  
== Canonical Church? ==
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Q: This verse seems to be supporting the idea of Purgatory that we must be "purified" or "cleansed" before we enter the Kingdom of God. What's the Orthodox belief/perspective of this verse?
  
There is a small church in Astoria, NY called Holy Trinity. Does anyone know if it is canonical?  I know that a priest comes from time to time from Greece.   aki 4/18/08 ([[Cnaki]])
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== Upcoming council ==
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'''Ecumenical''' [http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/09/uk-religion-orthodoxy-council-idUSBREA280T620140309 This] upcoming council has been preemptively and prematurely called ecumenical by the press. I'm interested in seeing if this wiki has info on it. I figured that an article here would probably be the best Orthodox perspective. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 23:47, March 10, 2014 (PDT)
  
If you are referring to the Holy Trinity church located within the Borough of Queens, (from List of Parishes in New York article), then it is a [[ROCOR]] church, please visit the ROCOR article for more inforation about that church. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 00:01, April 19, 2008 (UTC)
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::No info here that I know of -- I don't think we are great at breaking news. I would just say, however, that there are two senses of ecumenical at play here. I believe the council may be called "ecumenical" in a soft sense, i.e. universal. But this does not automatically give it an authority equivalent to the "Ecumenical Councils" - — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
  
==Easter story==
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== OrthodoxWiki in Serbian ==
  
One Easter, a non-Orthodox visitor came to the Orthodox service.
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First - hello to everyone, as I am quite new here.
  
The priest gave the customary greeting of "Christ has risen" (but in Greek or Russian or something), then waited for the customary response, "Christ has risen indeed."
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Then...
  
Instead the visitor said,  
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I saw that there is a designated space for this Wiki in Serbian language, but there are no articles at all. I would love to help here and I think that that would be the best way I could help, since Serbian is my native language. So, I was wondering can I start working on that and if I can, if there is anyone who want and can help? --[[User:Erin Navan|Erin Navan]] 00:38, April 15, 2014 (PDT)
  
'''"Oh, hi Father! HAPPY BUNNY DAY!!!"'''
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== Crucifixion of Christ ==
  
(Try it out at your church, and see what happens!) [[User:Zla&#39;od|Zla&#39;od]] 00:13, April 19, 2008 (UTC)
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Hey guys, do we have an article on the crucifixion and death of Christ? The only thing I can find is Holy Week and the Exaltation of Christ. [[User:ShenLazar|ShenLazar]] 16:22, April 23, 2014 (PDT)

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Holy Trinity Metafor

Hello,

Reading about the material universe, noticed that there are 3 infinities (or mysteries) that define our world:

1. --- The immensity of space-time, the boundless universe than nobody can say for sure how big it is, where it ends. Sure there are some theories that are accepted by most scientists, but also big anomalies if you apply the theory, that need to be corrected with inventions such as "dark matter" or "string theory" to fill in for obvious gaps.

2. --- The "small infinity" or mystery of the subatomic universe. We split the atoms in so many sub-particles, and the latest belief is that in fact all the matter is a concentration of energy. But where does matter end and pure energy begins?

I may be overcomplicating here, but it's just so poetic to notice how the science laws of the big universe and the small universe are in disagreement with each-other when it comes to apply the macrocosmos laws to microcosmos or the other way around, as if God intended things to be mysterious and impenetrable for the human mind.

3. --- The infinite complexity of life and intelligence. The connections in our brain are said to be more than all the stars in the universe. But how can this complexity come to be in only 4 billon years since our Earth is said to exist. This level of organisation of matter, first level: life, second level: intelligent life are both just unconceivable by science.

I want to ask you: could these 3 "infinities" be a reflection of the Holy Trinity in the material world? Or what is the theological view about those mysteries?

Thank you Mihai


New category

I was thinking of adding a category to be called "Propitiatory Offerings" where all of the things that are offered to God can be grouped together, inluding: Artoklasia, Kollyva, Proskomedia, Molieben, Incense, Myrrh, Votive Offerings, and things of this nature. Propitiatory Offerings in the Old Testament consisted mainly of sacrifices; in the Orthodox Church we have this new array of elements. Any ideas or comments? Is it accurate to describe it this way? Thanks and cheers. Angellight 888 20:34, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Propitiation is a problematic concept for Orthodoxy and one I wouldn't be willing to endorse (e.g., I would never say, "We offer up incense as a propitiation to God"). That said, though, I've never heard of these things really being grouped together in traditional Orthodox writings. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 14:05, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification Father, cheers, Angellight 888 14:09, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Calendar Days

Greetings. I had a look over at Wikipedia at their Orthodox "Calendar day" pages, and I liked how the pages were set up; instead of a block paragraph, with all the daily Saints blocked together as we have them here, they list them in a neatly ordered list (with bullets). This list could even be arranged chronologically for that particular day (i.e. with the oldest-in-time Saints listed first, the most recent saint for that day listed last).

Here is an example from Wikipedia for JUNE 4th. I would like to go into all of our Calendar Day pages for the entire year (all 365 days), and make the change form paragraph to list form, for ease of reading and better visual (and chronological) access. Would this be okay / sound good / any objections? (I don't mind doing the work). Cheers, Angellight 888 11:52, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

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It's been fixed. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 18:20, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Great!

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List of Enlighterners/Illuminators/Equals-to-the-Apostles

I realize that the purpose of the wiki structure is to allow anyone to edit. I hope OW will forgive my impertinence in merely suggesting (as opposed to creating myself) that it would be useful to have a list (or lists) corresponding to the different saint titles at illuminator .

I've thought of this because an LDS poster on a message board I frequent challenged non-LDS to name five of our own missionaries "whose exploits rival that of the LDS missionary work."

I think the OW category 'Missionaries' covers this with an extensive list. An article over a list of missionaries would be rather long! Wsk 01:22, September 18, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the response WSK! I'm not seeing the category for 'Missionaries'...what am I missing? Jkotinek 19:57, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
NM. Found it. = ) Jkotinek 20:00, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Confesion

Where may I find info abour Confession? I did a search for that subject & coldn't fnd it. After a long absence from Church, I returned in February 2012. I've had four o five cnfessions snce then. Every tme I try to confess, I'm often fogettng sins. Dad told me it's okay to say "I can't recall others, but I read that it's not ok May 12, 2012 Brooklyn, NY Thank you Irene Nikolsky

I think it's good to talk with a priest, but also you might find some helpful resources at http://stspress.com/ or http://svspress.com - — FrJohn (talk) 16:34, May 12, 2012 (HST)

Basic Information

Is there a website that helps people and/or teenagers with basic Q&As about our religion? I have teen son, who was baptized Orthodox. Because my church is in Russian he doesn't want to go. I thought if I could find basic info for him, then he'd believe me that there are English speaking Eastern Orthodox members. Thank you, Irene Nikolsky Broolyn, NY

Greetings Irene. Of course, there are A LOT of English-speaking (and non-Russian) Orthodox people -- For Q+A, you might try http://orthodoxanswers.org/ -- — FrJohn (talk)

Orthodox wiki stats

Is there a way to look at statistics for various pages by day, week, month, and year? --Kalvesmaki 16:03, May 17, 2012 (HST)

Diocese evolution in North America

One aspect that I have had in preparing my contributions to Orthodoxwiki concerns an accurate presentation of the ecclesiastical structure of the Orthodox in North America. While sources concerning the earliest century, notably in the OCA 1975 publication, give a fairly clear picture of the founding of dioceses and vicariates, the last century is blurred.

Various sources seem to present a good picture of the history of the structure of the Greek and Antiochian diocese, but the picture within the Russian based organizations gets blurred as the twentieth century progressed. The history of the Russian mission to North America seems clear to the first decade of the twentieth century when the Vicariates of Alaska and Brooklyn were formed. As hierarchs were installed with sees named Canada, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Winnipeg, Montreal, San Francisco, Detroit, Boston, and others through the time of the Metropolia, apparently as Vicariates of the North American Diocese that commonly was called the Metropolia. The formation of any of these Vicariates as Dioceses came apparently only after the granting of autocephaly to the the "Metropolia" and, thus, bishops of these sees prior to 1970 were apparently "titular/vicar/assistant bishops, not diocesan bishops. A question in my mind is, were the bishops of the "ethnic dioceses" vicars or ruling bishops?

The picture for bishops and dioceses of ROCOR in North America is less clear as to when the "titular" sees ceased being "titular" and may have become real dioceses.

Recent updates to articles about North American dioceses makes necessary a clear understanding of the evolution of the North American ecclesiastical structure so that Orthodoxwiki articles don't imply existence of dioceses before they came into existence.

The above is my assumption of the history of the development of the dioceses in North America. Sources/references and text within articles that clarifies the evolution of the North American structure are needed to assure accuracy in the articles. Wsk 05:07, September 12, 2012 (HST)

GOARCH link URLs format

One thing I'm constantly running into (and correcting as I go along) is the format of URLs leading to GOARCH's Online Chapel Saints pages being out of date (and leading to the "that page doesn't exist" message). They have changed formats at least once (maybe twice based on what I've seen here), and unfortunately, they haven't set any redirects, whether programmatically or via HTTP 301. (I've thought about contacting them about it, but haven't gotten up the nerve to do so)

Example:

I've pondered a bit about what should be done here. Obviously, one thing -- which I'm already doing -- is making the necessary correction every time I see one on a page. However, that's just a few out of the potentially hundreds of outdated links there could be. Something else could be developing a bot that would search all pages and update the links automatically. I don't know how to do that, but I know what they'd need to do. Anyways, I just wanted to bring it to everyone's (in particular the sysops') attention, as this is (warning: assumptions lie ahead) a widespread problem, and a potential hindrance from people getting the proper information (i.e. not knowing how to get to the right URL, or just giving up and saying "oh well, another bad link"). It may seem like a small thing, but it definitely means a lot to me, as I would hate for people to not be able to easily get to the information they need.

If I can help, other than my edit-one-when-I-see-it method, just let me know. Phil Harwell (paharwell) 08:36, December 11, 2012 (HST)

Canonicity of Revelation

27 January 2013

I am in research on a book dealing with the issues surrounding the acceptance of the book of Revelation into the New Testament. (Definitely not an exegetical commentary – there are many hundreds of them already!) I would appreciate some advice on a specific area of research that is giving me difficulty: the history of Revelation’s acceptance in the Eastern church in the 2nd through 5th centuries, and perhaps later. In publications I have found so far, there is sometimes a distinction drawn between the acceptance of Revelation in early Western vs Eastern Christianity: acceptance was much more rapid and widespread in the West. I have yet to find, however, much insight into why acceptance was slower in the East. What was the nature of the misgivings that the fathers of the Eastern church evidently had? Who, by name, expressed those misgivings? When, how, and under what circumstances? What finally prompted the Eastern Christian churches to accept Revelation? Did they do so gladly or grudgingly? How do Orthodox Christians tend to see Revelation today? Is it often preached? Were there other issues or background that I seem not to have contemplated? Can you recommend books or articles that address these matters?

To hit only some highlights, these are factors that perturbed the acceptance of Revelation in the Western church; perhaps they were voiced in the Eastern church as well:

• Questions of apostolicity.

o Revelation was probably written about 95 A.D. The disciple John (son of Zebedee) would have been quite old at this time, beyond normal life expectancy. There is reason to believe he died about 70 A.D.

o The Greek language of Revelation is quite different from the Greek of the Fourth Gospel, strongly indicating they could not have been written by the same person.

o John bar Zebedee was not known to have had an oversight responsibility of the seven churches to whom Revelation was addressed.

• Questions of orthodoxy.

o Revelation shares characteristics with many Gnostic writings, especially in its good-evil dualism and its frequent focus on secret knowledge.

o Revelation speaks of the Millennium, the thousand-year period after Christ’s return when all believers live happily with Him on earth before the final confrontation with Satan. This concept is absent from the Gospels and Epistles, and it is one of the reasons that Cerinthus (active in Asia Minor at the time Revelation was written there) was declared a heretic.

o It is not difficult to read in Revelation a theology of salvation by works rather than of salvation by grace through faith in Christ.

Any insights or recommendations on the Orthodox perspective on the canonicity of Revelation would be most welcome. I expect to be in research for the rest of 2013, with writing in early 2014.

Thanks very much

David in Lexington, VA

Mullerjrd 13:43, January 27, 2013 (HST)
Hi David, Unfortunately I don't have any resources in mind (you might check more general Orthodox sources on Scripture). Basically, we do accept Revelation as a canonical book, but we do not read it liturgically and so it is relatively unemphasized (but still significant!). We do not accept "millennialism" and are basically "amillennial". I wonder if anyone else knows of specific resources that might be helpful? — FrJohn (talk) 21:43, January 31, 2013 (HST)

Bible Text

I was thinking what if we had the LXX bible on OrthodoxWiki, so you could read the bible used by the Orthodox on this site. -ShenLazar 02:18, August 21, 2013 (HST)

Hi ShenLazar, I don't think this belongs on OrthodoxWiki, although it would be a great project for another site. Various versions of the LXX (Greek, English translations, etc.) are available elsewhere. There are links at Septuagint. Difficulties of putting the text here include the question of which translation to use, as well as copyright restrictions on some of the better ones. A more extensive article with links and a good evaluation of the differences between translations could be helpful though. — FrJohn (talk) 23:20, August 24, 2013 (HST)

Is Revelations 21:27 a good proof of Purgatory?

According to Revelations 21:27, "But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or cause an abomination or lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life"

Q: This verse seems to be supporting the idea of Purgatory that we must be "purified" or "cleansed" before we enter the Kingdom of God. What's the Orthodox belief/perspective of this verse?

Upcoming council

Ecumenical This upcoming council has been preemptively and prematurely called ecumenical by the press. I'm interested in seeing if this wiki has info on it. I figured that an article here would probably be the best Orthodox perspective. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 23:47, March 10, 2014 (PDT)

No info here that I know of -- I don't think we are great at breaking news. I would just say, however, that there are two senses of ecumenical at play here. I believe the council may be called "ecumenical" in a soft sense, i.e. universal. But this does not automatically give it an authority equivalent to the "Ecumenical Councils" - — FrJohn (talk)

OrthodoxWiki in Serbian

First - hello to everyone, as I am quite new here.

Then...

I saw that there is a designated space for this Wiki in Serbian language, but there are no articles at all. I would love to help here and I think that that would be the best way I could help, since Serbian is my native language. So, I was wondering can I start working on that and if I can, if there is anyone who want and can help? --Erin Navan 00:38, April 15, 2014 (PDT)

Crucifixion of Christ

Hey guys, do we have an article on the crucifixion and death of Christ? The only thing I can find is Holy Week and the Exaltation of Christ. ShenLazar 16:22, April 23, 2014 (PDT)