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Is it really right to classify [[ROCOR]] as "Old Calendarist"? Their separation didn't have anything to do with the calendar change, and they're apparently on the verge of reunion with Moscow, anyhow. --[[User:ASDamick|Rdr. Andrew]] 13:00, 28 Feb 2005 (CST)
I live in Albuquerque, New Mexico and I noticed an interesting looking monastery located in a house near the downtown area. I looked on the Internet and I found that they have a website. They seem to be Old Calendarists. See http://www.kazanmonastery.org Their website says: "Originally founded as a center for first generation Russian and Greek Orthodox living in the Albuquerque metro area. These were members of the Old Calendar Church - continuing the practice of following the Julian calendar." Would they be included as an Old Calendarist congregation? Sincerely, Colleen Lowry
== '''Archbishop Gregory (Dormition Skete / Colorado)''' ==
Finally, I would question the assertion that the "Old Calendar" synods in Bulgaria and Romania give the Holy Mysteries to those who follow the New Calendar or are involved in Ecumenism. I do not think they do. Perhaps in Greece the Synod of Cyprian of Fili does, but not in these other Synods, though obviously their differing practices have not made them break communion with Archbishop Cyprian.[[User:Fr. Sergius|Fr. Sergius]] 21:28, January 5, 2007 (PST)
And this is perhaps the difficulty of a publicly edited encyclopedia. This version of the HOCNA story is absolutely subjective. The idea that NONE of the accusers were worthy witnesses is irrelevant, because what became HOCNA didn't stay to stand trial to begin with. They stayed for 11 months, but when just as the trial would really happen, they left. Then they claimed they ran out of patience after the fact.
The retraction by the Chrysostomite and Makarian Synods of Auxentios and his Bishops had specific provisions REFUSING to recognize HOCNA. Certainly I believe in both sides being represented in any story. But I would like to see where there is any credence given to the other side in your story. Admitting that moral charges were lobbed at Fr Panteleimon alone-- and then proceeding to smash away at its invalidity--is not objective writing, and I am sure that you are aware of this.
In the end, I am sure that people will lack the resources to stop HOCNA's attempt to control the traditional Orthodox internet. Having lived in HTM, I am aware of the access that the approved fathers have to the internet. The rest of us can answer folks, and then we go back to our jobs. Sadly, for some, this IS their job.-- [[JoeSuaiden|Joseph Suaiden]]
== synod of Archbishop Timotheos? ==
Is there any information to be had on a Greek Old Calendarist synod in Athens under an Archbishop Timotheos, and which includes a Bishop Pavlos, a Bishop Timotheos, and a Metropolitan Stephen? It doesn't seem to be included in the article. --[[User:Fr Lev|Fr Lev]] 14:46, September 18, 2008 (UTC)
See the discussion on "Max Michel" above. Timotheos Athanassiou was made a "Bishop" by Joachim Souris, an individual who was made a "Bishop" through a meeting of independent Bishops, one of whom claimed to be "Archbishop of Byzantium" (Peter Zhurawetsky) and also came from the renovationist "Living Church" schism in Russia. None of these men had a following of any merit, and Bishop Souris' claim to fame seems to be that he's consecrated all of his followers Bishops.
[http://www.google.com/search?q=Joachim+Souris&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=mozilla&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial| A cursory search through Google will show innumerable groups claiming lineage] from Joachim Souris. {{unsigned|JosephSuaiden}}
Apologies. I forgot.--[[User:JosephSuaiden|JosephSuaiden]] 02:57, January 8, 2009 (UTC)
== New Can of Worms ==
I've removed two links because they are totally nonsensical. One is another vagante group which is not "Old Calendarist" at all, and the other is the "ROAC in America". I question whether we can include a link to a Bishop who does not have more than titular jurisdiction in America, since he would just be considered part of his parent jurisdiction. Frankly, Gregory of Colorado's and HOCNA's links to claiming jurisdiction in America are also laughable, so I don't see why there is a section in "America", unless we wish to include every true Orthodox Bishop in the US-- which would mean all ROCiE sections and more.
Actually, without deleting everyone that might be the only solution.--[[User:JosephSuaiden|JosephSuaiden]] 19:05, January 11, 2009 (UTC)
== My Revisions are Complete ==
I think that's all I've got for fixes; I tried to remove bias, and add more links per my comments above, as well as address the "in resistance" issue by creating a section discussing the ecclesiology and linking to it when relevant.
I hope this is a general improvement.--[[User:JosephSuaiden|JosephSuaiden]] 20:33, January 11, 2009 (UTC)
== Autonomous status ==
I deleted the HOCNA entry from the list of churches claiming autonomy, I would have cited this but I don't know where I would put the citation on a deleted entry. [http://www.homb.org/resources/docs/Not-Autocephalous-Dec-2010.pdf Here] you will find a document straight from the HOCNA website put out by two HOCNA bishops stating that HOCNA claims neither autonomy nor autocephaly
== Changes to Cyprian of Fili's group's description ==
The changes I made to this paragraph are because I was not aware that only groups that have made the calendar a matter of doctrine are the only people who are truly Orthodox, therefore the reference to "True Orthodox" must have been a shortening of the name of a specific Old Calendarist group. Otherwise, OrthodoxWiki would be claiming that people like me are "false Orthodox". Second, as far as I know, there is no such thing as a "New Calendarist State Church", or however it was named. I guessed that this was some sort of propaganda-style reference to the Church of Greece. [[User:Bryanjmaloney|Bryanjmaloney]] 15:07, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
== which Metropolitan Chrysostom is this? ==
"After the death of Metropolitan Chrysostom, the Florinites had no bishops, and Metropolitan Chrysostom advised his flock ...." Who is this second Metropolitan Chrysostom? --[[User:Richardson mcphillips1|Richardson mcphillips1]] 00:46, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
== Should this page make it more clear that Old Calendarists and The Old Calendar are not the same thing? ==
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I don't feel knowledgeable enough to make edits on this obviously-sensitive topic myself, but people who seemed to know what they were talking about when I linked to the page in chat suggested:
"Old Calendarist is different than using the old calendar",
"the term Old Calanderist is referring to schismatics within new calendar churches and not the use of the old calendar by all Orthodox",
"There is the calendar issue among the various churches is communion, with the minority (EP) following the New...and the rest on the old. And then the label of Old Calendarist to refer to schismatic churches not in communion with anyone.", and
"Old Calendarists doesn't mean you just want to stay on the Old Calendar. It refers to a specific group that left the Greek church because of the calendar issue.
And instead of going to the Russian church which is on the old calendar, they set up their own schismatic body claiming to be the true church."
IMHO the page as it stands doesn't make this clear to someone, like me, who is near-clueless, that the above statements are correct, if indeed they are.
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-[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 17:24, March 17, 2020 (UTC)