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User talk:Joe Rodgers

2005-07-16T18:59:13Z

Uncreatedlight: /* Re: Patron Saint */

== IRC ==

Thanks to Kevin Basil, I can be found quite often in the #orthodoxy channel on lplug.org. Talk to me there if you would like. I go by the name, WPU.

Don't know about IRC? You could learn [http://blog.kevinbasil.com/2003/02/03/holy-irc-batman/ if you want].

== Talk pages ==

I don't much mind what you do with your own Talk page, but would you mind not erasing those of other articles? It's helpful to see where we've been and why we've done what we've done.

(Please forgive me if I seem needling and nagging.) —[[User:ASDamick|{{User:ASDamick/sig}}]] 17:47, 28 Jun 2005 (EDT)

: I will gladly abide by the decision of the sysops. What is everyone else's opinion? I talked with another sysop (I won't mention their name) who seemed to agree that things get a little cluttered, cloudy, or outdated in discussion pages.

: My own thoughts are that if articles can be trimmed and made more concise, why can't talk pages? I like having an archive, but if a situation has been addressed then I personally think it makes things cluttered to keep them around. The discussion is archived in the changelog/history. My two cents. --[[User:Joe Rodgers|Joe Rodgers]] 18:54, 28 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Wikipedia's usual approach (not that we have to do everything they do) is to make archival subpages when the given talk page gets too long. Sorting through a history can be extremely difficult and time consuming, especially if one isn't looking for something in particular but rather simply wants to know what the discussion regarding a given article has been.

I don't think this has ever been discussed between the sysops. I'm just ''one'' of them and by no means chief among them. We can certainly put it up for discussion, though, which I've done on [[OrthodoxWiki:Administrators]]. —[[User:ASDamick|{{User:ASDamick/sig}}]] 19:09, 28 Jun 2005 (EDT)

:I think one reason to keep a record of resolved issues is that others who think of similar (or the same) issues can see for themselves that it has been resolved, without having to rehash arguments, for instance when a style decision has been made. —[[User:Magda|magda]] 20:27, 28 Jun 2005 (EDT)

:: Good point Magda. However, I think that if the style decision is explicit enough it could detail the reasons why a decision was made over another. --[[User:Joe Rodgers|Joe Rodgers]] 20:59, 28 Jun 2005 (EDT)

== Re: Patron Saint ==

It's a good question, Joe. I'm not sure who that would be. Let me think about this some more. I don't think we should change the name of the site to "St. so-and-so Orthodox Encyclopedia", but I wouldn't be adverse to seeking the intercession of an appropriate patron. Do you or others have any suggestions? [[User:FrJohn|Fr. John]]

Perhaps the bishop of this Wiki's founder should get the nod in suggesting the appropriate patron(s)? [[User:Uncreatedlight|uncreatedlight]] 14:59, 16 Jul 2005 (EDT)

== "God the..." redirects ==

Hi Joe,

Another comment... It strikes me that in Orthodox theology, it is not so common to refer to Jesus as "God the Son" or the Holy Spirit as "God the Holy Spirit." There is a good reason for this, too. According to Orthodox Trinitarian theology as I learnt it, "God" is not so much identified with the essence held in common by the three persons, but more properly identified with God the Father, from whom both the Son and the Holy Spirit receive their divinity. This is why, e.g., in the Creed, Jesus is "God from God" and God the Father is so often refered to in our liturgy as "the unorginate Father" or "the Father without beginning" (the Son and the Holy Spirit are originate, not in time, but ontologically, albeit not in a way that makes their divinity any lesser).

My suggestion would be to remove the redirects. I don't think they're really necessary, and even if another article links to the phrase "God the..." it would be easy enough just to make the words link directly to the main page in question. - [[User:FrJohn|Fr. John]] 14:09, 4 Jul 2005 (EDT)

P.S. When are you becoming Orthodox? :-)

:: Thank you Father. I think you make a very good point. Please feel free to remove the redirects (I don't know if I am allowed). I am building the [[Template:Orthodoxchristianity|introduction]] article and am looking for any suggestions you could give. I guess it would be good to eventually do a search for "God the.." and make sure the links are pointing in the right directions. Thanks for your help. Quite a question you pose there at the end. --[[User:Joe Rodgers|{{User:Joe Rodgers/sig}}]] 14:16, 4 Jul 2005 (EDT)

== [[:Category:Church Life]] ==

My concern about the [[:Category:Church Life|Church Life]] category is that it could logically end up getting used for absolutely everything, which would make it useless as a category. Ideally, every article should be in a category, but some just don't quite seem to fit into the more obvious categories (e.g., Liturgics, Church History, etc.), so the Church Life category was created.

I have read the discussion in the category Talk, but I honestly wasn't sure what was being suggested, especially because there weren't already articles already existing to put into the categories (which is what [[User:Magda|Magda]] seemed to be saying, too). My own philosophy WRT categories is that they should be created to include an actual group of developed articles, probably at least three.

A category for "Home Life" (as opposed to "Church Life") also seems, well, secularist—i.e., at least ''suggesting'' that what was going on at one's home was in some sense not "Church."

I'm going to copy this, with some editing, over to the Category Talk page. —[[User:ASDamick|{{User:ASDamick/sig}}]] 11:49, 5 Jul 2005 (EDT)

== Church Calendar, etc. ==

Well, it's something (I think) I know how to do, and I like getting familiar with the saints' names. (Did I mention I love having a job with internet access and free time?) I'm glad you're enjoying my busyness. I took a break after finishing June and the first week of July, and thought it would be nice to finish July before [[User:Vandrona|my husband]] and I go on vacation. —[[User:Magda|magda]] 16:05, 6 Jul 2005 (EDT)

== Commentary quotes ==

Ideally, writing a full article with quotes embedded into the text would be best. But if you just want to include some quotations, perhaps a handful in a separate section would be good. I wouldn't get too crazy with it, though—maybe no more than a half dozen. —[[User:ASDamick|{{User:ASDamick/sig}}]] 17:21, 7 Jul 2005 (EDT)

== Sysop ==

Hi Joe,

I hope you don't mind, but I've knighted you a sysop. This will allow you some more flexibility in managing pages. AYour mission, should you choose to accept it, will also involve a slight bit of responsbility (don't worry) in keeping an eye on how things are going at OrthodoxWiki as a whole and helping to resolve any problems that arise. Please read [[OrthodoxWiki:Administrators]] when you get a chance.

If you send me your preferred email I can add you to the Yahoo group if you're interested. Mainly, this group serves to alert me of technical problems with the board and is also a place to discuss the occasional administrative issues that come up in way that allows a little more privacy than an owiki page!

I realize you're not Orthodox. We do generally prefer Sysops to be Orthodox, but a sysop degree doesn't endow teaching authority! We're happy about your commitment to OrthodoxWiki and all your work here.

Thanks, [[User:FrJohn|Fr. John]]

P.S. You don't need a cert on your blog. A self-signed cert is fine, but even that isn't necesary for the login area. Instead, you can consider changing the name of the Admin directory to something unpredictable (though I'm not sure how this will affect the integrated "edit" feature on blog posts) or else just make your password very secure and change it every now and then. I've been having my struggles with WordPress lately, though it seems to work well for many others. Other good options include ExpressionEngine and MovableType (though it depends what you want to do with it - neither of these is open source and there are other good open source options too, though I suppose you know all that anyway!).

:Responded on [[User:FrJohn|Fr. John]]'s [[User talk:FrJohn|talk page]]. --[[User:Joe Rodgers|{{User:Joe Rodgers/sig}}]] 00:18, 15 Jul 2005 (EDT)

::Great Joe!

== Diocese of Australia and New Zealand ==
yeah, the inprogress deal could be used, but i don't know when i'll get the history (as it says on [[Orthodoxy in Australasia]], things aren't well documented in these parts). the other problem with inprogress is that it implies ownership, when i know for a fact that there are others who know more about the diocese than me (eg people in rocor). probably better just to put

Template talk:Spirituality

2005-07-16T16:52:43Z

Uncreatedlight: /* Sources */

== [[User:Uncreatedlight|uncreatedlight]]'s To Do List ==

*Define Spirituality.
*Determine sources.
*Decide if contrast/comparison is best model (would the execution of the model satisfy O-Wiki's anti-bias requirement)
*Add to Catharsis:
**Origins of Spirituality: From God to Man
***The exagoruesis of the Son before His Incarnation
***The exagoruesis of the Son in time as the Theanthropos
***The exagoruesis of the Son after the Ascension
**The Response of Man to God
***The exagoruesis of man as Image of the Son in the "fallen" state
***The exagoruesis of man as Image of the Son and restored Likeness of the Son
*Add to Theoria:
**
**
*Add to Theosis:
**
**

==Moved==
I moved the above to the Talk page, so it doesn't get incorporated into the articles which include the template. —[[User:ASDamick|{{User:ASDamick/sig}}]] 17:40, 15 Jul 2005 (EDT)

==Sources==
The scope is broad enough, I think. In essence, this is all about the relationship between God and Man. It is the definition of Orthodoxy. The easy part is getting the materials collated. The hard part is not to tangent.

As much as I love Met. Hierotheos' corpus, I must confess that Fr. Joseph Allen's "Inner Way: Toward A Rebirth of Eastern Christian Spiritual Direction" is probably the better starting point for introducing this all-encompassing subject.

Also in the works for sources are St. Theophan the Recluse, Igumen Chariton of Valamo's "The Art of Prayer," whatever I can get my hands on by Met. Anthony Bloom, "The Unseen Warfare," and of course Ss. Gregory Palamas, Symeon the New Theologian, Photius, Mark of Ephesus, Abba Dorotheos, and the Philokalia.

Eds and sysops, please comment.

[[User:Uncreatedlight|uncreatedlight]] 17:50, 15 Jul 2005 (EDT)

: Fr. Joseph never ceases to amaze me! I wonder what his reaction might be if I were to tell him when I see him in a few weeks that he's being used as a source. :) In any event, of those things I've read, they all seem quite on track to me. —[[User:ASDamick|{{User:ASDamick/sig}}]] 18:04, 15 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Please ask him not only if he'd mind, but I'd appreciate an address where I can formally request permission.

[[User:Uncreatedlight|uncreatedlight]] 12:52, 16 Jul 2005 (EDT)

OrthodoxWiki talk:Meta Reflections

2005-07-16T16:46:40Z

Uncreatedlight: /* Perhaps, being an "Orthodox" Wiki we could use some help */

This is a question of emanation. The straight answer to the question: "Can Orthodoxy be Wikified?" is no. Orthodoxy is lived. Now then, since it is lived then there is necessarily an expression of that living, understood without confusion to be uniquely and wholly Orthodox. ''That'' can and should be Wikified.

Regarding rogues, schismatics, gnostics, the ultra-correct, and the inevitable troll: they too are a part of the expression of that 'living.' And in true Orthodox expression of conciliar authority and witness, can be corrected in the proper Christian manner, in the case of Wiki - by editing. Wiki, or so it seems to me, is a natural vehicle for a conciliar expression of the life lived in Christ.

[[User:Uncreatedlight|uncreatedlight]]

== Perhaps, being an "Orthodox" Wiki we could use some help ==

And I mean from other Orthodox people. Not just the ones that can type, but from those of us who have moved on.

Does this wiki have patronage? If so, who is the patron? If not, well, why not? It would be the Orthodox thing to do, eh?

[[User:Uncreatedlight|uncreatedlight]] 12:46, 16 Jul 2005 (EDT)

OrthodoxWiki talk:Meta Reflections

2005-07-16T16:46:20Z

Uncreatedlight: Perhaps, being an "Orthodox" Wiki we could use some help

Template talk:Spirituality

2005-07-15T21:50:58Z

Uncreatedlight:

== [[User:Uncreatedlight|uncreatedlight]]'s To Do List ==

*Define Spirituality.
*Determine sources.
*Decide if contrast/comparison is best model (would the execution of the model satisfy O-Wiki's anti-bias requirement)
*Add to Catharsis:
**Origins of Spirituality: From God to Man
***The exagoruesis of the Son before His Incarnation
***The exagoruesis of the Son in time as the Theanthropos
***The exagoruesis of the Son after the Ascension
**The Response of Man to God
***The exagoruesis of man as Image of the Son in the "fallen" state
***The exagoruesis of man as Image of the Son and restored Likeness of the Son
*Add to Theoria:
**
**
*Add to Theosis:
**
**

==Moved==
I moved the above to the Talk page, so it doesn't get incorporated into the articles which include the template. —[[User:ASDamick|{{User:ASDamick/sig}}]] 17:40, 15 Jul 2005 (EDT)

The scope is broad enough, I think. In essence, this is all about the relationship between God and Man. It is the definition of Orthodoxy. The easy part is getting the materials collated. The hard part is not to tangent.

As much as I love Met. Hierotheos' corpus, I must confess that Fr. Joseph Allen's "Inner Way: Toward A Rebirth of Eastern Christian Spiritual Direction" is probably the better starting point for introducing this all-encompassing subject.

Also in the works for sources are St. Theophan the Recluse, Igumen Chariton of Valamo's "The Art of Prayer," whatever I can get my hands on by Met. Anthony Bloom, "The Unseen Warfare," and of course Ss. Gregory Palamas, Symeon the New Theologian, Photius, Mark of Ephesus, Abba Dorotheos, and the Philokalia.

Eds and sysops, please comment.

[[User:Uncreatedlight|uncreatedlight]] 17:50, 15 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Template:Spirituality

2005-07-15T21:34:02Z

Uncreatedlight:

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| colspan="2" |This article forms part of the series [[Spirituality|Orthodox Spirituality]]
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| colspan="2" style="font-size: 95%; background:#99CC99;"|'''[[Holy Mysteries]]'''
|-
| colspan="2" style="font-size: 90%;"|[[Baptism]] - [[Chrismation]] [[Eucharist]] - [[Confession]] [[Marriage]] - [[Ordination]] [[Holy Unction]]
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| colspan="2" style="font-size: 95%; background:#99CC99;"|'''Three Stages'''
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| colspan="2" style="font-size: 90%;"|[[Catharsis|Catharsis/Purification]] [[Theoria|Theoria/Illumination]] [[Theosis|Theosis/Divinization]]
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| colspan="2" style="font-size: 95%; background:#99CC99;"|'''Hesychasm'''
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| colspan="2" style="font-size: 90%;"|[[Nepsis]] - [[Repentance|Metanoia]] [[Hesychasm|Hesychia]] - [[Phronema]] [[Mysticism]] - [[Nous]]
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| colspan="2" style="font-size: 95%; background:#99CC99;"|'''[[Asceticism]]'''
|-
| colspan="2" style="font-size: 90%;"|[[Chastity]] - [[Obedience]] [[Stability]] - [[Fasting]] [[Poverty]] - [[Monasticism]]
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| colspan="2" style="font-size: 95%; background:#99CC99;"|'''[[Virtues]]'''
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| colspan="2" style="font-size: 90%;"|[[Humility]] - [[Almsgiving|Generosity]] [[Chastity]] - [[Meekness]] [[Temperance]] - [[Contentment]] [[Diligence]]
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| colspan="2" style="font-size: 95%; background:#99CC99;"|'''[[Prayer]]'''
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| style="font-size: 90%;"|[[Worship]] - [[Veneration]] [[Prayer Rule]] - [[Jesus Prayer]] [[Relics]]
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| colspan="2" style="font-size: 95%; background:#99CC99;"|'''[[Church Fathers]]'''
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| colspan="2" style="font-size: 90%;"|[[Desert Fathers]] [[Cappadocians]] ''[[Philokalia|The Philokalia]]'' ''[[The Ladder of Divine Ascent]]''
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== [[User:Uncreatedlight|uncreatedlight]]'s To Do List ==

*Define Spirituality.
*Determine sources.
*Decide if contrast/comparison is best model (would the execution of the model satisfy O-Wiki's anti-bias requirement)
*Add to Catharsis:
**Origins of Spirituality: From God to Man
***The exagoruesis of the Son before His Incarnation
***The exagoruesis of the Son in time as the Theanthropos
***The exagoruesis of the Son after the Ascension
**The Response of Man to God
***The exagoruesis of man as Image of the Son in the "fallen" state
***The exagoruesis of man as Image of the Son and restored Likeness of the Son
*Add to Theoria:
**
**
*Add to Theosis:
**
**

User talk:Uncreatedlight

2005-07-15T05:35:21Z

Uncreatedlight: Thank you, Rdr. Andrew and Fr. John

Welcome, Gregory! That's a very nice intro. I hope you don't mind, but I moved it to the main User Page instead of the User:Talk page (which on OrthodoxWiki, as on Wikipedia, is generally used for personal correspondence with other users. Yours, [[User:FrJohn|Fr. John]]

{{welcome}}

== Thank you, Rdr. Andrew and Fr. John ==

Glad to be here. Hopefully the welcome won't be worn out anytime soon.

...this Wiki coding stuff will take some getting used to.

[[User:Uncreatedlight|uncreatedlight]] 01:35, 15 Jul 2005 (EDT)

OrthodoxWiki talk:Categories

2005-07-15T05:30:33Z

Uncreatedlight:

I'm partial to the idea of restricting the use of a People category to biographical materials. When discussing the particulars of a person's life, ex: the neo-Platonism of Origen, then that could be introduced into discussions about The School of Alexandria, the 5th(?) Ecumenical Council, Heresy, Nepsis, ''et cetera'' and perhaps linked back to the bio page.

It could be that I was dropped on my head too many times as an infant, but this seems to me to be a way to avoid redundancy.

[[User:Uncreatedlight|uncreatedlight]] 01:30, 15 Jul 2005 (EDT)

OrthodoxWiki talk:Meta Reflections

2005-07-15T05:04:36Z

Uncreatedlight:

OrthodoxWiki talk:Meta Reflections

2005-07-15T04:57:49Z

Uncreatedlight:

User talk:Uncreatedlight

2005-07-15T02:30:01Z

Uncreatedlight:

My online name is taken from the Fathers' understanding of what it is to abide in God, as much as humanly possible. Abiding in the Uncreated Light is the goal of every Orthodox. And it certainly is my goal. My patron is St. [[Gregory Palamas]]. I cannot explain how, or why, but I think he was the one that led me to Holy Orthodoxy. Prayed me in, as it were.

[[Image:Gregory Palamas.jpg|left|frame|St. Gregory Palamas]]

== Name ==

As with many converts, I go by my baptismal name as opposed to my legal name. Not only in church, but in the ebb and flow of the everyday.

== Life ==
I like to tease people by saying I was born on a mayonnaise farm. The truth: I am an affirmed Midwesterner, not at all afraid to seen elsewhere. Right now I'm living in Clackamas, Oregon. The berg is just south of Portland by geography, and on another planet in all other respects. Mind you, this is a good thing.

== Writings ==
There was a time, in the late 1980s and early 1990s when I was an editor for ''Cornerstone'' Magazine. If it weren't for the proofreaders, it would be painfully clear that I type using crayons. That reality very well might make itself manifest in a few of these pages. I'm currently under probation over at [http://www.monachos.net Monachos.net] where the poor souls there are letting me take a stab at correcting a few scanned pages of old translations of pre-schism Fathers. Pray for me, and for the patience and understanding of the good people at Monachos.net.

User talk:Uncreatedlight

2005-07-15T02:27:12Z

Uncreatedlight:

My online name is taken from the Fathers' understanding of what it is to abide in God, as much as humanly possible. Abiding in the Uncreated Light is the goal of every Orthodox. And it certainly is my goal.

My patron is St. [[Gregory Palamas]]. I cannot explain how, or why, but I think he was the one that led me to Holy Orthodoxy. Prayed me in, as it were.

[[Image:Gregory Palamas.jpg|left|frame|St. Gregory Palamas]]

== Name ==

As with many converts, I go by my baptismal name as opposed to my legal name. Not only in church, but in the ebb and flow of the everyday.

== Life ==
I like to tease people by saying I was born on a mayonnaise farm. The truth: I am an affirmed Midwesterner, not at all afraid to seen elsewhere. Right now I'm living in Clackamas, Oregon. The berg is just south of Portland by geography, and on another planet in all other respects. Mind you, this is a good thing.

== Writings ==
There was a time, in the late 1980s and early 1990s when I was an editor for ''Cornerstone'' Magazine. If it weren't for the proofreaders, it would be painfully clear that I type using crayons. That reality very well might make itself manifest in a few of these pages. I'm currently under probation over at [http://www.monachos.net Monachos.net] where the poor souls there are letting me take a stab at correcting a few scanned pages of old translations of pre-schism Fathers. Pray for me, and for the patience and understanding of the good people at Monachos.net.