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Talk:Orthodox Church in America

2007-05-31T21:19:37Z

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Talk:ROCOR and OCA

2007-05-31T21:18:51Z

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Talk:Main Page

2007-05-31T21:18:07Z

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OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza

2007-05-31T21:16:46Z

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Talk:Orthodoxy in Hawaii

2007-05-31T21:12:21Z

Truemarc: /* Which Hierarch guides th--Truemarc 14:11, May 31, 2007 (PDT)is site?? */

Archived discussion: [[/Jurisdictionalism and Hawaii]]

I made some formatting edits and also removed some POV commentary. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 22:08, May 30, 2007 (PDT)

==POV==
Nectarios, I'm not clear why you are trying to remove the association of this Russian community with ROCOR. it appears to me that you are trying to shape the article to assert that ROCOR has an exclusive canonical claim to the Hawaiian Islands. Can you be more clear about why you're making these edits?

From an OCA point of view, Hawaii is part of North America, which constitutes is proper canonical territory, following the ''tomos'' from Moscow. I don't think this is a terribly helpful or productive battle to fight though -- we must all recognize the reality of the historical situation in America (and all the "diaspora" lands) , with all of its opportunities and challenges. Ideally, there would be a united Orthodox church in these regions, but I don't think this will happen anytime soon. I agree we need to keep proper canonical order in mind, but it shouldn't be a stick with which we beat each other with - rather, something we work towards in charity and brotherhood. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

== Personal attacks. ==

I dont think personal attacks are proper here Fr. John. Who moderates the moderators? Who can I complain to? {{unsigned|Truemarc}}

: 1. Who's making personal attacks?

: 2. [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] is the chief site administrator and deals with issues regarding the administrators.

: 3. You can complain to any of the [[Special:Listadmins|admins]], though [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] is the top dog. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] 13:41, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

So basically you're saying that this place has no authority, you're just running around un-regulated?
--[[User:Truemarc|Truemarc]] 13:42, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

: Authority on OrthodoxWiki is the [[Special:Listadmins|team of admins]], presided over by [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]], who founded and runs the site. Be sure to read the various links regarding OrthodoxWiki included in the welcome message on [[User talk:Truemarc|your talk page]]. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] 13:46, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

== Which Hierarch guides this site?? ==

According to Church canon law, the hierarchs have final say on anything a priest does. So what you're saying Fr. Andrew, is that no Orthodox bishop has control over this site? A site which clearly deals with Orthodoxy and it's "image" to the world?? Perhaps Vladika Job would like to hear how his priests are running around un-supervised.
[[User:Truemarc|Truemarc]] 13:47, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

: I encourage you to read the [[OrthodoxWiki:Frequently Asked Questions|FAQ]] linked to on [[User talk:Truemarc|your talk page]], which answers many of your questions. I'm also fairly sure that Abp. Job would be proud of the fine work Fr. John has been doing here for nearly three years, but I also imagine that the latter wouldn't mind if you contacted the former to discuss it with him! But of course Fr. John can speak for himself on this matter. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] 13:52, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

So Vladika Job doesnt know of this?? You realise you need your bishop's permission. Do you have yours Fr. Andrew?
[[User:Truemarc|Truemarc]] 14:11, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

== Scarey! ==

It is very scarey that you are not being guided by a bishop. You are espousing the Orthodox faith to people who do not know of it, and you are not being guided by a bishop??

This is unbelievable. The Church has strict rules against this sort of thing. So whatever your personal bias is, that is TRUTH?? This is wrong. There should be a bishop guiding this site.
[[User:Truemarc|Truemarc]] 14:01, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

One more thing: whenever a priest writes an article or a book, it MUST be approved by a bishop. And not just any bishop, your bishop. A community of priests who moderate each other. What are you Old-believers? :-)
[[User:Truemarc|Truemarc]] 14:09, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

Talk:Orthodoxy in Hawaii

2007-05-31T21:11:55Z

Truemarc: /* Which Hierarch guides this site?? */

Archived discussion: [[/Jurisdictionalism and Hawaii]]

I made some formatting edits and also removed some POV commentary. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 22:08, May 30, 2007 (PDT)

==POV==
Nectarios, I'm not clear why you are trying to remove the association of this Russian community with ROCOR. it appears to me that you are trying to shape the article to assert that ROCOR has an exclusive canonical claim to the Hawaiian Islands. Can you be more clear about why you're making these edits?

From an OCA point of view, Hawaii is part of North America, which constitutes is proper canonical territory, following the ''tomos'' from Moscow. I don't think this is a terribly helpful or productive battle to fight though -- we must all recognize the reality of the historical situation in America (and all the "diaspora" lands) , with all of its opportunities and challenges. Ideally, there would be a united Orthodox church in these regions, but I don't think this will happen anytime soon. I agree we need to keep proper canonical order in mind, but it shouldn't be a stick with which we beat each other with - rather, something we work towards in charity and brotherhood. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

== Personal attacks. ==

I dont think personal attacks are proper here Fr. John. Who moderates the moderators? Who can I complain to? {{unsigned|Truemarc}}

: 1. Who's making personal attacks?

: 2. [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] is the chief site administrator and deals with issues regarding the administrators.

: 3. You can complain to any of the [[Special:Listadmins|admins]], though [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] is the top dog. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] 13:41, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

So basically you're saying that this place has no authority, you're just running around un-regulated?
--[[User:Truemarc|Truemarc]] 13:42, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

: Authority on OrthodoxWiki is the [[Special:Listadmins|team of admins]], presided over by [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]], who founded and runs the site. Be sure to read the various links regarding OrthodoxWiki included in the welcome message on [[User talk:Truemarc|your talk page]]. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] 13:46, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

== Which Hierarch guides th--[[User:Truemarc|Truemarc]] 14:11, May 31, 2007 (PDT)is site?? ==

According to Church canon law, the hierarchs have final say on anything a priest does. So what you're saying Fr. Andrew, is that no Orthodox bishop has control over this site? A site which clearly deals with Orthodoxy and it's "image" to the world?? Perhaps Vladika Job would like to hear how his priests are running around un-supervised.
[[User:Truemarc|Truemarc]] 13:47, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

: I encourage you to read the [[OrthodoxWiki:Frequently Asked Questions|FAQ]] linked to on [[User talk:Truemarc|your talk page]], which answers many of your questions. I'm also fairly sure that Abp. Job would be proud of the fine work Fr. John has been doing here for nearly three years, but I also imagine that the latter wouldn't mind if you contacted the former to discuss it with him! But of course Fr. John can speak for himself on this matter. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] 13:52, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

So Vladika Job doesnt know of this?? You realise you need your bishop's permission. Do you have yours Fr. Andrew?
[[User:Truemarc|Truemarc]] 14:11, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

== Scarey! ==

It is very scarey that you are not being guided by a bishop. You are espousing the Orthodox faith to people who do not know of it, and you are not being guided by a bishop??

This is unbelievable. The Church has strict rules against this sort of thing. So whatever your personal bias is, that is TRUTH?? This is wrong. There should be a bishop guiding this site.
[[User:Truemarc|Truemarc]] 14:01, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

One more thing: whenever a priest writes an article or a book, it MUST be approved by a bishop. And not just any bishop, your bishop. A community of priests who moderate each other. What are you Old-believers? :-)
[[User:Truemarc|Truemarc]] 14:09, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

Talk:Orthodoxy in Hawaii

2007-05-31T21:09:22Z

Truemarc: /* Scarey! */

Archived discussion: [[/Jurisdictionalism and Hawaii]]

I made some formatting edits and also removed some POV commentary. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 22:08, May 30, 2007 (PDT)

==POV==
Nectarios, I'm not clear why you are trying to remove the association of this Russian community with ROCOR. it appears to me that you are trying to shape the article to assert that ROCOR has an exclusive canonical claim to the Hawaiian Islands. Can you be more clear about why you're making these edits?

From an OCA point of view, Hawaii is part of North America, which constitutes is proper canonical territory, following the ''tomos'' from Moscow. I don't think this is a terribly helpful or productive battle to fight though -- we must all recognize the reality of the historical situation in America (and all the "diaspora" lands) , with all of its opportunities and challenges. Ideally, there would be a united Orthodox church in these regions, but I don't think this will happen anytime soon. I agree we need to keep proper canonical order in mind, but it shouldn't be a stick with which we beat each other with - rather, something we work towards in charity and brotherhood. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

== Personal attacks. ==

I dont think personal attacks are proper here Fr. John. Who moderates the moderators? Who can I complain to? {{unsigned|Truemarc}}

: 1. Who's making personal attacks?

: 2. [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] is the chief site administrator and deals with issues regarding the administrators.

: 3. You can complain to any of the [[Special:Listadmins|admins]], though [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] is the top dog. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] 13:41, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

So basically you're saying that this place has no authority, you're just running around un-regulated?
--[[User:Truemarc|Truemarc]] 13:42, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

: Authority on OrthodoxWiki is the [[Special:Listadmins|team of admins]], presided over by [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]], who founded and runs the site. Be sure to read the various links regarding OrthodoxWiki included in the welcome message on [[User talk:Truemarc|your talk page]]. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] 13:46, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

== Which Hierarch guides this site?? ==

According to Church canon law, the hierarchs have final say on anything a priest does. So what you're saying Fr. Andrew, is that no Orthodox bishop has control over this site? A site which clearly deals with Orthodoxy and it's "image" to the world?? Perhaps Vladika Job would like to hear how his priests are running around un-supervised.
[[User:Truemarc|Truemarc]] 13:47, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

: I encourage you to read the [[OrthodoxWiki:Frequently Asked Questions|FAQ]] linked to on [[User talk:Truemarc|your talk page]], which answers many of your questions. I'm also fairly sure that Abp. Job would be proud of the fine work Fr. John has been doing here for nearly three years, but I also imagine that the latter wouldn't mind if you contacted the former to discuss it with him! But of course Fr. John can speak for himself on this matter. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] 13:52, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

== Scarey! ==

It is very scarey that you are not being guided by a bishop. You are espousing the Orthodox faith to people who do not know of it, and you are not being guided by a bishop??

This is unbelievable. The Church has strict rules against this sort of thing. So whatever your personal bias is, that is TRUTH?? This is wrong. There should be a bishop guiding this site.
[[User:Truemarc|Truemarc]] 14:01, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

One more thing: whenever a priest writes an article or a book, it MUST be approved by a bishop. And not just any bishop, your bishop. A community of priests who moderate each other. What are you Old-believers? :-)
[[User:Truemarc|Truemarc]] 14:09, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

Talk:Orthodoxy in Hawaii

2007-05-31T21:01:07Z

Truemarc: Scarey!

Archived discussion: [[/Jurisdictionalism and Hawaii]]

I made some formatting edits and also removed some POV commentary. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 22:08, May 30, 2007 (PDT)

==POV==
Nectarios, I'm not clear why you are trying to remove the association of this Russian community with ROCOR. it appears to me that you are trying to shape the article to assert that ROCOR has an exclusive canonical claim to the Hawaiian Islands. Can you be more clear about why you're making these edits?

From an OCA point of view, Hawaii is part of North America, which constitutes is proper canonical territory, following the ''tomos'' from Moscow. I don't think this is a terribly helpful or productive battle to fight though -- we must all recognize the reality of the historical situation in America (and all the "diaspora" lands) , with all of its opportunities and challenges. Ideally, there would be a united Orthodox church in these regions, but I don't think this will happen anytime soon. I agree we need to keep proper canonical order in mind, but it shouldn't be a stick with which we beat each other with - rather, something we work towards in charity and brotherhood. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

== Personal attacks. ==

I dont think personal attacks are proper here Fr. John. Who moderates the moderators? Who can I complain to? {{unsigned|Truemarc}}

: 1. Who's making personal attacks?

: 2. [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] is the chief site administrator and deals with issues regarding the administrators.

: 3. You can complain to any of the [[Special:Listadmins|admins]], though [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] is the top dog. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] 13:41, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

So basically you're saying that this place has no authority, you're just running around un-regulated?
--[[User:Truemarc|Truemarc]] 13:42, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

: Authority on OrthodoxWiki is the [[Special:Listadmins|team of admins]], presided over by [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]], who founded and runs the site. Be sure to read the various links regarding OrthodoxWiki included in the welcome message on [[User talk:Truemarc|your talk page]]. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] 13:46, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

== Which Hierarch guides this site?? ==

According to Church canon law, the hierarchs have final say on anything a priest does. So what you're saying Fr. Andrew, is that no Orthodox bishop has control over this site? A site which clearly deals with Orthodoxy and it's "image" to the world?? Perhaps Vladika Job would like to hear how his priests are running around un-supervised.
[[User:Truemarc|Truemarc]] 13:47, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

: I encourage you to read the [[OrthodoxWiki:Frequently Asked Questions|FAQ]] linked to on [[User talk:Truemarc|your talk page]], which answers many of your questions. I'm also fairly sure that Abp. Job would be proud of the fine work Fr. John has been doing here for nearly three years, but I also imagine that the latter wouldn't mind if you contacted the former to discuss it with him! But of course Fr. John can speak for himself on this matter. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] 13:52, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

== Scarey! ==

It is very scarey that you are not being guided by a bishop. You are espousing the Orthodox faith to people who do not know of it, and you are not being guided by a bishop??

This is unbelievable. The Church has strict rules against this sort of thing. So whatever your personal bias is, that is TRUTH?? This is wrong. There should be a bishop guiding this site.
[[User:Truemarc|Truemarc]] 14:01, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

Talk:Orthodoxy in Hawaii

2007-05-31T20:47:49Z

Truemarc: Which Hierarch guides this site??

Talk:Orthodoxy in Hawaii

2007-05-31T20:42:39Z

Truemarc: /* Personal attacks. */

Talk:Orthodoxy in Hawaii

2007-05-31T20:38:12Z

Truemarc: Personal attacks.

Category talk:Heretics

2007-05-31T20:35:22Z

Truemarc: POV

=== Julian the Apostate ===

Is there not a separate category for apostates? [[User:Eddieuny|Eddieuny]] 18:52, August 24, 2006 (CDT)

:I don't believe we have any other articles that would fit in that category as of yet (though I could be wrong), so no, there isn't an apostate category. I think Julian here would fit into both. Feel free to create this category and maybe write an article or two for it if you feel so inspired. [[User:Gabriela|Gabriela]] 22:51, August 24, 2006 (CDT)

== POV ==

Who gives you the right to label these men heretics? What kind of an encyclopedia is this?