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User talk:Raggiodisole

2011-05-10T11:20:36Z

Raggiodisole: /* OrthodoxWiki Italiano */

{{Welcome}} - [[User:Andrew|Andy]] 18:12, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

:::
Forgive my mistakes, I would like to contribute, I speak Italian and English will wait a little step by step instructions fr. John.
I do not know where to put my contributions in Italian, because we do not have the site in Italian, forgive me! [[User:Raggiodisole|Raggiodisole]] 10:04, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

::I am glad that this is expanding. Did you read [[OrthodoxWiki:Localization]]? It contains some of what needs to be done to port the OrthodoxWiki project into other languages. The way I think it works is that Fr. John will set up a site named ''<xx>''.OrthodoxWiki.com with the ''<xx>'' being two letters that stand for Italian. It will be there that you will post in Italian. It will be its own site, but have an affiliate relationship with this site. Since it is its own site, I believe it will take a lot of effort to create and maintain a new OrthodoxWiki site in Italian (something like http://www.it.orthodoxwiki.org). Good luck. I see that you already contacted Fr. John, is he setting up a site for Italian now?

::: Yes, thank you for this information, now I understand better.
I look happy to open the site in Italian by Fr John, I hope this will happen soon so I can write.
Thanks for your help, I look forward to more news.
Do not insert anything here to avoid errors, but only on Italian site after I post there, I contacted for this fr John and I hope he'll see.
Best wishes from me and from Italy!
Your sister in Christ Nives

== OrthodoxWiki Italiano ==

Raggiodisole, I now have a wiki setup for you at http://it.orthodoxwiki.org. You should have Sysop rights there. Please let me know if you need anything else. Grazie — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 05:37, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

:: It 's great work! you open the site in Italy, in Italian! Now I start to enter the study and contributions, there is much to do! Thank you Father John, the Lord will reward you! bye Raggiodisole

:Hello, Raggiodisole. We are 2 experimented users from ro.orthodoxwiki willing to help you with it.orthodoxwiki.org: [[User:Kamasarye]] and I. --[[User:Inistea|Inistea]] 21:03, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the good news!
I proceeded immediately to greet and welcome the new member! And thanks for your help, we need to fix your home page, take a look if you can!
Every now and then disappear as I also work daily to be taken, but there are always!
Preferably with the help of other people!
I hope others will come! Best wishes! Raggiodisole

User talk:Raggiodisole

2011-05-10T11:10:44Z

Raggiodisole: /* OrthodoxWiki Italiano */

OrthodoxWiki:Localizzazioni

2011-03-04T14:20:39Z

Raggiodisole: New page: OrthodoxWiki: Localizzazione Questa pagina fornisce i principi di politica ufficiale sull’enciclopedia OrthodoxWiki. Questa pagina è stata redatta consensualmente degli editori ed è...

OrthodoxWiki: Localizzazione

Questa pagina fornisce i principi di politica ufficiale sull’enciclopedia OrthodoxWiki. Questa pagina è stata redatta consensualmente degli editori ed è considerata uno standard che tutti gli utenti devono seguire. Se si parte dell'amministrazione, non esitate ad aggiornare questa pagina, se necessario, ma occorre fare in modo che le modifiche apportate a questa politica le voci che vi appaiano devono rispecchiare fedelmente il punto di vista ortodosso e si candidano quindi ad essere un punto di riferimento, una riflessione, per chi vuol conoscere la Chiesa Ortodossa.

Localizzazione e le relazioni inter-wiki (PROGETTO IN PROGRESS)

I commenti sono accolti

Indice [nascondi] 1 Definizioni 2 Contributori 2,1 Amministrazione 2,2 Responsabilità dei contributori 2,3 Loghi e Identità 2,4 Hosting e domini 2,5 Problemi di copyright 3 Colleghi 4 Appedix A: documenti fondamentali OrthodoxWiki 5 Appendice B: Localizzazioni Attivo 6 Appendice C: Localizzazioni in fase di progettazione 7 Appendice D: Risorse

Definizione : Cos’è OrthodoxWiki [Modifica] La localizzazione si riferisce al processo di porting del progetto OrthodoxWiki in lingue diverse dall'inglese (la lingua originale).

Si riconoscono due accordi separati. 1. Affiliati, e 2. Colleghi.

Contributori ( Affiliato)

Un rapporto "affiliato" si ha quando un gruppo canonicamente ortodosso di persone che condividono la visione OrthodoxWiki, e il desiderio di estendere il progetto OrthodoxWiki's in altre lingue. Siamo molto felici quando per avere altri wiki-based ortodossi formalmente si aderisce all’OrthodoxWiki come affiliati pieni.

Amministrazione [Modifica]

Un rapporto di affiliazione inizia quando i volontari una o più persone dedicano sforzi sostanziali per creare e mantenere una OrthodoxWiki localizzata in una lingua che non dispone già di uno. Tutti i contatti dovrebbe passare attraverso Fr. John.

Se approvata, una o più persone del gruppo affiliato sarà data sysop di stato e sarà aggiunto alla mailing list sysop OrthodoxWiki.

Responsabilità di Contribuzione (Affiliazione) [Modifica]

E 'la responsabilità della filiale/i di mantenere e gestire attivamente il sito OrthodoxWiki localizzato in conformità con le linee guida principali OrthodoxWiki, in particolare la sua politica sul copyright (per motivi legali) e OrthodoxWiki principio di neutralità. Saranno anche responsabile della traduzione di testi fondamentali OrthodoxWiki dall'inglese in altre lingue.

All'interno di questi parametri, agli operatori locali viene dato un grande margine di manovra per quanto riguarda come è strutturato il loro wiki, stabilendo le priorità per quale tipo di materiale di importazione e di esportazione dalla lingua inglese OrthodoxWiki, e così via.

Se non riescono a soddisfare queste responsabilità, stato di affiliazione può essere revocata, e la loro sottodominio di hosting e annullato. Questo tipo di misura sarà usata, tuttavia, con parsimonia solo nei casi più gravi.

Loghi e identità [Modifica]

Gli OrthodoxWiki affiliati sono autorizzati e tenuti ad adottare il logo ufficiale OrthodoxWiki, anche se possono tradurre in altre lingue, se a loro piace. Allo stesso modo, si dovrebbero utilizzare la favicon OrthodoxWiki e il plugin di ricerca icona, permettono essi possono adattare queste come vogliono (per esempio, la modifica a un diverso colore per differenziare tra le versioni di OrthodoxWiki nella casella di ricerca o per i segnalibri).

Link a tutti gli OrthodoxWikis localizzate dovrebbero essere ben descritto sulla home page di ogni discreto / sito localizzato OrthodoxWiki.

I contributori (Affialiates) possono utilizzare uno dei linkbuttons OrthodoxWiki, tradotto o meno, o può creare il proprio.

Hosting e domini

Vi forniremo un sottodominio localizzato (come ru.orthodoxwiki.org, gr.orthodoxwiki.org, bu.orthodoxwiki.org, ecc.) Questo può essere indicato un altro indirizzo IP che sarà ospitata a livello locale, oppure possiamo fornire uno spazio sul server che ospita OrthodoxWiki (un server appartenente alla ortodossa Internet Services). In alcuni casi, un nome di dominio più appropriato per la lingua in questione può anche essere sistemato sul sottodominio.

Hosting e gestione tecnica del software MediaWiki può essere fornito gratuitamente da OrthodoxWiki, in associazione con gli ortodossi Internet Services. Tuttavia, è anche possibile per gli affiliati ospitare e gestire la propria installazione MediaWiki

Problemi di copyright

Per motivi pratici, è importante che OrthodoxWikis localizzato mantenga lo stesso copyright / accordo di licenza, come la lingua inglese OrthodoxWiki.

Dato che il wiki è localizzato nel progetto OrthodoxWiki, riteniamo che tutte le immagini e gli articoli per i quali OrthodoxWiki ha ottenuto un permesso speciale da utilizzare potrebbe essere utilizzato anche su OrthodoxWikis localizzato utilizzando lo stesso nome di dominio.

I colleghi [Modifica

Un rapporto "collega" è particolarmente appropriato in cui l'attenzione di un altro wiki (ad esempio, la loro interpretazione del NPOV e "mainstream Chalcedonian bias ortodossi") è diverso da OrthodoxWiki's. Ci aspettiamo che questo sarebbe il caso, ad esempio, se un vecchio gruppo Calendarist greco voluto creare il proprio wiki, o per copto / non-Calcedoniani o romana (o altro) wiki cattolica, o se un altro gruppo di ortodossi orientali ha voluto avviare una wiki con una particolare attenzione sostanzialmente diverso o missione. In alcuni casi, si possono riconoscere altri Wiki come "colleghi", anche se non si definiscono cristiani.

Il "collega" parola presuppone che noi abbiamo un senso della missione comune o di complementarietà, e siamo felici di lavorare insieme e sostenere ogni lavoro altrui.

In questo caso, non si può condividere un comune branding - nomi di dominio, i loghi, linkbuttons, ecc sarebbero tutti distinti. Allo stesso modo, speciali autorizzazioni per l’ immagine e l'articolo sarebbe gestiti separatamente.

I colleghi riceveranno un riconoscimento pubblico, i link sul wiki, così come il permesso esplicito di utilizzare qualsiasi materiale appropriato OrthodoxWiki (a patto che si inserisce il loro sistema di licenze) e di ogni altra assistenza o incoraggiamento siamo in grado di fornire.

Collega status può essere revocato in qualsiasi momento, soprattutto se la missione della vira altri wiki di là di un generale "NPOV" o presa di posizione "descrittivo" e formalmente adotta una forte polemica contro un altro gruppo in modo tale che non sono utili non avendo alcun rapporto formale con loro.

Appedix A: documenti fondamentali OrthodoxWiki

Si tratta di un elenco di documenti essenziali OrthodoxWiki che deve essere tradotto (in forma abbreviata, se necessario) e mantenuta coerente in localizzazioni. Il testo in lingua inglese rimane il testo "canonico".

Pagine principali sono:

OrthodoxWiki: A proposito - abbiamo bisogno di lavorare su una revisione di questo anche in inglese! Almeno queste pagine politica OrthodoxWiki: OrthodoxWiki: Copyrights OrthodoxWiki: General disclaimer OrthodoxWiki: Informazioni sulla privacy OrthodoxWiki: Manuale di stile Help: titoli di immagine Core modelli includono:

Il più generico Modelli generali, in particolare: Template: Benvenuto Template: Stub Template: Pulitura Template: disambig Tutti i modelli Copyright richieste per il materiale utilizzato sul sito affiliato, in particolare: Template: Copyright Template: non verificato Template: Fairuse Template: OWiki Template: Skete.com Template: Oca Template: Htm Template: Pd

Altre pagine che arricchiscono il funzionamento del wiki, ma non sono strettamente necessarie, o può essere più liberamente adattato per l'uso locale, sono:

OrthodoxWiki: News OrthodoxWiki: Buzz Le pagine di aiuto e le pagine nel namespace OrthodoxWiki. Altre pagine template - vedi OrthodoxWiki: Modelli per un elenco completo

Appendice B: Localizzazioni Attivo

Bulgaro OrthodoxWiki (http://bg.orthodoxwiki.org) – Riferimento per un contatto: Costantino per aiutare o per ulteriori informazioni. (Questo sito è considerato pienamente avviato e maturo.) Rumeno di lingua OrthodoxWiki (http://ro.orthodoxwiki.org) – Contatti Utente: Inistea per aiutare o per ulteriori informazioni. (Questo sito è considerato pienamente avviato e maturo.) Per una discussione in lingua araba OrthodoxWiki (fase Alpha: http://ar.orthodoxwiki.org), andare al OrthodoxWiki: Localizzazione / arabo. Vedi anche qui. In lingua russa OrthodoxWiki (fase Alpha: http://ru.orthodoxwiki.org) - Vai alla OrthodoxWiki: Localizzazione / Russo. Di lingua greca OrthodoxWiki - EL: Αρχική_σελίδα

Appendice C: Localizzazioni in fase di progettazione [Modifica]

Di lingua neerlandese OrthodoxWiki (nl.orthodoxwiki.org) – Contatti Utente: Stephan per aiutare o per ulteriori informazioni. Castigliano e portoghese – Contatti Utente: Theofilactos (vedi anche qui). Spagnolo: User: Alstradiaan.

Appendice D: Risorse [Modifica]

meta: MediaWiki_localisation meta: Help: Esportazione e meta: Help: Import meta: Recent_changes_extension - se si volesse unire elenchi delle ultime modifiche meta: Meta: Babel_templates - mostra competenze linguistiche dell'utente meta: transwiki Estratto da "http://orthodoxwiki.org/OrthodoxWiki:Localization"

User talk:FrJohn

2011-03-04T14:04:20Z

Raggiodisole:

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==August 17 Menaion==

Should we call our father among the saints Theodoretus the enlightener of the Sami, as opposed to the enlightener of the Lapps. Lapp is considered something of an ethnic slur; much like calling the Inuit by the name Eskimo. On the other hand, should we wait until the Menaion itself is changed to reflect the better name for the people of northern Scandinavia. [[User:Eddieuny|Eddieuny]] 03:22, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

:Hi Eddieuny, Thanks for your question. My take is that, since he is in the menaion as "Enlightener of the Lapps" we should do this, but with a footnote explaining what you just said -- it would be good to make people aware of this. Thanks! — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 04:30, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

==Ukrainian version==

Dear Father, I thought to start Ukrainian version. How can I do that? I work with articles related to Orthodoxy on Ukrainian wikipedia.

--[[User:Roman Z|Roman Z]] 21:38, March 12, 2009 (UTC)

==Orthodox Source==
Hi father john, it is with much sadness and hurt that I see you close down Orthodox Source. Mainly because I invested a huge amount of time to put information onto that site that took a lot of my time and I dont have access to any more. I am a bit saddened because you didnt even give me some notice that you were going to close the site down so that I could at least download some of the information onto my personal computer that I can access in the future ... a bit disappointed that this was not considered and an opportunity given to do this. It only proves that the Internet is not a very viable Christian tool. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 05:50, November 27, 2008 (UTC)

== Fact check ==

Dear Father,
I am trying to recall the name of the cemetery chapel at Saint Anna's Skete on the Holy Mountain. I wondered if you or any of your readers/discussants might help me.

Thanks,
Isaak Scott Cairns

:One source tells me it's "Holy Cross" — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 20:54, March 16, 2009 (UTC)

== Hymns of Contrition ==

Father John, I bought a CD last night that in Greek is called "Kataniktika of Great lent". So, I set about doing a google today to find out just what are these hymns (although I understand the words). Many articles come up but they are primarily from the Catholic church and are seven Psalms ... these do not seem to be the format of the kataniktiko service. Can you help me. What are the Kataniktika of Great Lent? I want to post an article onto OrthodoxWiki for others to reference too.!! Thanks in advance. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 22:54, March 16, 2009 (UTC)

:O man, these Greek terms -- best ask a Byzantine-style cantor, I think. Anyone around here? — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

::Триоди в Воскресенья - the CD translates the "Kataniktika" as the "Hymns of Contrition". However, if you do a google on that term it comes up with the Catholic version of Hymns of Contrition - which are not the same! Oi! What is wrong with the Greek terms? The church lasted 2,000 years because of the beauty in the Greek language :-) Do you want us to convert everything to Russian so you can understand? LOL ANYWAY! You are a priest - you should know what these are! ROFL [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 23:07, March 16, 2009 (UTC)

::: The ''Katanyktikoi Hymnoi'' (it helps to use standard Latinization for Greek!) may be called the "Hymns of Contrition" or "Penitential Hymns," and the term refers to a wide set of pieces of hymnography used throughout the period of the Triodion, most especially in the stichera of Lenten Vespers (most often referenced in Sunday night Vespers).

::: They are not the same thing as the "Penitential Psalms." —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 23:53, March 16, 2009 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! What I did was cut and paste what you just said and inserted it into an article. Hopefully we can develop it a little ... there is not much available on the Internet for this. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 00:34, March 17, 2009 (UTC)

== ΒΟΗΘΕΙΑ ==

ΧΡΕΙΑΖΟΜΑΙ ΣΤΟΙΧΕΙΑ ΓΙΑ ΜΙΑ ΠΑΛΙΑ ΑΙΡΕΣΗ, ΛΕΓΕΤΑΙ ΑΦΘΑΡΤΟΔΟΚΗΤΙΣΜΟΣ ΚΑΙ ΙΔΡΥΤΗΣ ΤΗΣ ΗΤΑΝ Ο ΕΠΙΣΚΟΠΟΣ ΑΛΙΚΑΡΝΑΣΣΟΥ ΙΟΥΛΙΑΝΟΣ

:Ελληνικά, παρακαλώ. Δεν μιλούν ελληνικά. Σε ευχαριστώ. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

==User Creation - Proposal==
Greetings Fr. John,
With the amount of Vandalism we have, I propose that anyone requesting a new account first has to submit a request online, with some brief info about temselves, and THEN THE REQUEST WILL REQUIRE APPROVAL by yourself or Fr. Andrew or other Sysops. '''The ability for anyone to automatically create accounts will be disabled''', unless they are sincere and simply request a free account which they can then of course have; I think that the Conservapedia and some other wikis might have this system in place. Anyhow, just an idea I wanted to pass along :)

By the way, regarding the note immediately above this one (in greek), it reads something like this: ''"I require information on an ancient heresy, called "Aftharto-Docetism"?, and its proponent was the Bishop of Halicarnassos Julianos."'' I see that it was an unsigned comment however.

Cheers, [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 00:10, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

:Hi Angellight, given the number of users we have, this sounds like an awful lot of work. I'd rather just clean up occasionally as needed, but let me keep my eyes open for another solution. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 00:17, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

::other forums require that you Verify your "humanity" by typing into a box the combination of numbers/letters you can see on the screen to verify that you are indeed "real" and not a bot. maybe that is all you need. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 00:51, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

::::Yep, was just posting that I've just installed a captcha test for new user registrations. It won't block disturbed individuals, but should help with the automated creation of accounts from multiple un-blacklisted IPs where email verification can be performed. Amazing we have to deal with that, eh? — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 00:55, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, you have to wonder why they havent got better things to do than hurl abuse at people who are minding their own business ... I learnt something yesterday. A priest called Fr Demetrius wrote an email about praying for the deceased soul of a "george" who was a pro-abortionist in America. When you read with what tenderness and love Fr Demetrius writes about this "sinner" you realise how much we just pity these people - for they know not what they do. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 01:04, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

:::The only effect really is to drain a little bit of my time away :-(. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

::::Hey, I just did an EDIT on an article and it asked me to fill out a box ... is this going to be the standard practise from now on for editing as it will grow tedious I think for regulars? [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 01:37, June 4, 2009 (UTC)
:::Whoops, I'll fix this. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 01:43, June 4, 2009 (UTC)
:::I missed the setting that said "Require captcha when user edits page and adds a link" - let me know if it happens again! — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

::::Sure, also while I have you and you are in a good mood :D I would like to ask for a favour (as far as practical) my heart is to complete the most comprehensive Table of Saints (in Chronological order) - as you can witness by this new article. At present, I am systematically and patiently working through the information ON OrthodoxWiki ... how can I identify saints I have missed NOT listed on OrthodoxWiki. Do you have any suggestions? [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 01:53, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

:::Wow! Sounds like a big job. I guess you'd have to check the websites of the various Orthodox jurisdictions around the world, or get your hands on a really good synaxarion (I like the one published by at Ormylia) and refer to its index. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 01:56, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

== Glitch ==

See [[Talk:Alban|this]]. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 01:59, July 8, 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks, message left. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 05:38, July 8, 2009 (UTC)

== Sysop. ==

Hello Fr. John.
I am a Greek Orthodox user. I was wonderign if you can add me as a sysop to help you out with the site. I have a lot of time on my hands.

In his service,
--[[User:Greeks|Greeks]] 15:23, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

==Hello!==
Hi sir! I would like to create a project OrthodoxWiki dutch language and I have rights bureaucrat, administrator, renameuser, Checkuser and oversight, thanks. —[[User:Mr. man|Mister]] [[User talk:Mr. man|'''lasă-mi un mesaj''']] 17:23, February 20, 2010 (UTC)ﻧ

:You are active or no? For 2 months you no response me. --—[[User:Mr. man|Mister]] [[User talk:Mr. man|'''lasă-mi un mesaj''']] 15:15, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Many Orthodox believers have asked about the Icon of Christ and the Ancient of Days and confusing this elder sitting next to Christ with God the Father.
They are not alone, for the entire Roman Catholic Church believes that this is the case and their belief has by the process of osmosis been picked up by many of our clergy and this icon has been ejected from many of our Churches. It is not true for the Ancient of Days is the Son of God who was begotten before all time. If they recall, Christ in the incarnation had divested Himself of those signs of being God and had assumed the appearance of a mere servant. The icon of the Platytera teaches us that the Holy Virgin's womb contained the "uncontainable, therefore those aspects of God the Son of God remained in the mystery of Heaven. Read on with what I have written:

QUESTION:

v Do you recall ever having seen this icon of Jesus Christ holding his cross, sitting at the right of an elderly man with white hair?
at their feet there are cherubic figures, and about them there are clouds. They both have a nimbus above their head and above them
there is a white dove, sometimes within a circle or a triangle.
v Is there anything incorrect about it ?
v Why is it not found in today’s churches ?
v What is its origin ?

For those of us who are old enough, this icon is familiar. We had seen it in most of the Greek Orthodox Churches when we were children. It was located on the iconostasion on the right side of the royal entrance, the spot currently occupied by the icon of Christ. I do remember it in St. Sophia Cathedral (until the 1960’s) and in the Holy Trinity Church in Waterbury, Connecticut (in the 1920’-30’s). St. Sophia’s oldest icons were contributed to a more recently established parish in Virginia and this icon was still in use there as of seven years ago.

What is wrong with it? It has a perfectly good representation of Christ. He is seated at the right hand of an elderly man who is giving a blessing and they are both apparently seated in majesty in heaven. There are little, western style cherubs at their feet. The elderly man supposedly represents God the Father. Instead of a halo, His head is usually surrounded by a triangle which, I presume, represents the Holy Trinity. I have heard of Him in this representation being named the “Ancient of Days.” What is wrong with all this is that God the Father is purely spirit and cannot be portrayed in any manner. Christ said in the New Testament, “When you see Me, you see my Father.” This is the reason why this icon has been supplanted by one of Christ alone, for when we see Christ in an icon, we see the Father.

How did we come to portray God the Father in this manner? I could not discover the answer in any book on iconography or theology available to me. It was not until I came across a passage in the Septuagint Scriptures that I found the answer in the Book of Daniel chapter VII, verses 9 - 10 and 13 - 14.

[9] I beheld until the thrones were set, and the Ancient of days sat; and his raiment was white as snow, and the hair of his head as pure wool: his throne was a flame of fire, and his wheels burning fire. [10] A stream of fire rushed forth before him: thousand thousands ministered to him, and ten thousands of myriads attended upon him: the judgment sat, and the books were opened.
[13] I beheld in the night vision, and, lo, one coming with the clouds of heaven as the Son of Man, and he came on to the Ancient of Days, and was brought near to him. [14] And to him was given the dominion, and the honour,and the kingdom; and all the nations, tribes, and languages, shall serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom shall not be destroyed.

This vision and prophesy of Daniel has been identified, in both Latin Catholic and Protestant sources as a prefiguration of God the Father and the powers and glory which He has bestowed upon God the Son, Jesus Christ - the Son of Man. This passage may have been the source of the artistic rendering of God the Father as the “Ancient of Days.” Whether this conception was original with our iconographers or was influenced by the realistic presentations of western artists is not known. Indeed we have a prime example of this in Michaelangelo’s painting of God in the Sistine Chapel and the western style cherubs at their feet. His portraiture is that of an old man with white hair and a white beard, reaching out with his finger to endow Adam with life. None of these features are found in Orthodox iconography and their being in this icon suggests the influence of western imaging since large portions of Greece had been occupied for several centuries by Venetian, Catalan and other Latins.

Regardless of its origins, this icon is considered erroneous today.

Providence has a way of providing us with truths to heal our ignorance. I believe that I have discovered the significance of this icon while reading A Discourse On the Nativity of Christ by St. Gregory Thaumatourgos, Bishop of Neo-Caesarea (died 260) . He wrote:

“The new wonders do strike me with awe. The Ancient of Days is become a Child, to make people children of God. Sitting in glory in the Heavens, because of His love for mankind, He now layeth in a manger of dumb beasts.”

Do the words of Gregory’s statement imply that this icon could represent a “double image” of Christ? First as the “Ancient of Days”, the only-begotten Son of God, born before all ages. Adjacent to Him is the younger Incarnate Jesus Christ, Son of Man(-kind) as He appeared to us on earth in His kenotic form (i.e. when He “emptied Himself” and “became as a base servant”). Gone would be the mistaken identification of the Ancient of Days as God the Father, which is the mainstay of western explanations. Such an interpretation of this icon sheds a completely new light upon it, a light which may render it theologically legitimate. Even so St. Gregory goes on to say: “The Impassionate, Incorporeal, Incomprehensible One is taken by human hands, in order to atone the violence of sinners.” If the Ancient of Days has these chacteristics, is it permissible to portray him in an icon? Does the fact that He becomes incarnate as Jesus Christ repeal the prohibition of showing Him as an aged man?
However, St. Gregory’s words have allowed me to learn the true meaning of this prophesy from the Book of Daniel. It is a prophesy of the Parousia, the Second Coming of Christ, when the “books will be opened” and the “secrets of men will be revealed.” I am thankful to have gained this knowledge so that I can look upon this icon with greater appreciation. Later yet, I discovered that there is an icon in St. Katherine’s Monastery at Sinai which depicts the Ancient of Days, and on his lap rests Jesus as a child. This icon is said to confirm the concept voiced by St. Gregory that The Ancient of Days is the heavenly manifestation of the Son of God.

The Ancient of Days with a child Jesus Christ on His Lap, 12th century
At St. Katherine’s Monastery Church, Mt. Sinai
(You can find this icon on the internet)

== Psalter quote ==

Father John,
Bless!
My name is Manoli and I'm an 18 year old recent high school graduate. I am distantly acquainted with Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick and I'm writing an essay for the PanHellenic Foundation, trying to get a scholarship for college. I want to use the "golden thread" quote from "one modern commentator" on the OrthodoxWiki "Psalter" page. If you know who that person is, or who would know who that person is, I'd appreciate any info...Fr. Andrew doesn't and although I'm registered on OrthodoxWiki as CampNazFanatic, I don't know much about using the site so I decided to contact you. Please respond asap as this essay is due like tomorrow.
Thanks,
Manoli
--CampNazFanatic[[CampNazFanatic]]

==IMAGES ISSUES==
Warm greetings Fr. John,

I hope it is okay that I am contacting you directly, but this problem has not been resolved for some time. Could you kindly look into rectifying the long-standing problem with uploaded images not displaying - they do not display once they are uploaded and they do not display especially as thumbnails.

See here: the [http://commons.orthodoxwiki.org/Special:Newimages Gallery of New Image Files];

I had left a note at the OrthodoxWiki Trapeza [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza#Thumbnails_Error|here]] regarding this error some time ago, but it has gone unanswered and the problem is not resolved.

Surely there must be a process to have this investigated? -- i.e. Where is the OW site hosted? Which person(s)/webmasters or what entity is in charge of maintenance? Who needs to be called? Who is in control? And WHERE is their accountability???? Why have they ignored this for so long? Was this change done intentionally for some reason and if so why is there no notice informing the users? This problem has persisted for a very long time now, and it appears that it is a feature that has been disabled. If it stays non-functional this way I fear that this will discourage further users from wanting to contribute to OW. If there is something I have overlooked apologies in advance. Hoping something can be done. Thanks and kind regards :) [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 05:49, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

::Hi Angellight -- I apologize for the frustration. Sadly, it is I -- the negligent webmaster. and the volunteer in charge of site maintenance (but with many distractions). Please be assured that there is nothing intentional in the problem - the site just needs an upgrade. Because of the way the databases are tied together for each localization, it gets a little complex. I will strive to find some time to fix this soon. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 07:28, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

:::Many thanks for the info dear Fr.; good to know the site will be eventually upgraded and that this will be addressed then. Please forgive my initial frustration. This is a wonderful resource and I hope to see it grow. Cheers, [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 18:55, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

----

:Fr. John, this may be part of the same problem, if one tries to add a image and re-size it they get an error:
Error creating thumbnail: Warning: passthru() has been disabled for security reasons in
/home/owiki/public_html/shared/includes /GlobalFunctions.php on line 1839 
:(just an FYI) - [[User:Andrew|Andy]] 16:41, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

::I apologize for the delay in getting this resolved. Thumbnails should now be working again! — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

== Suppression ==

Unfortunately, after going through some articles and dead links, it seems that the Oriental Orthodox Church is suppressed on this OrthodoxWiki. it is a shame becuase this wiki is what should unite us together in Christ, not divide us and furthurmore insult our brothers and sisters. No one would dare do that to Christ. Eastern Orthodoxy and Oreintal Orthodoxy are probably the closest, most Orthodox, unchanging groups of Churches. I pray that one day we will once again be reunited as one in His Church.

God Bless

:: Hello [[Cmd|User:Cmd]] - It is certainly not my heart to suppress Oriental Orthodoxy in any way. In fact, just about 30 minutes ago I was speaking about my respect for Oriental Orthodox Christians, and talking about how the Christological differences have been largely resolved. This is a joy to me. Please see [[OrthodoxWiki:Style_Manual_%28Point_of_View%29]] for the stated policy of this site. If you can point to specific examples of suppression, that would be helpful. In Christ, — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 23:32, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

== About the 3 photos at the text ''Monastery of St Patapios (Loutraki, Greece)'' ==

Dear Father John. I have added 3 photos at the text ''Monastery of St Patapios (Loutraki, Greece)'', but they do not appear in the article, however they appear when I ''clic'' on them. Could you please help me make them appear at the article. Is it a problem from your server? Please help me and you will have the bless of Saint Pastapios. [[User:688dim|688dim]] 22:15, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

::Dear 688dim, Thanks for the bug report. This should now be fixed. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
:::Thanks, Fr. John for catching the "bug". I missed the pictures![[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 22:56, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

== Italian Version ==

::: Dear Father, I thought to start Italian version. How can I do that?
me and my boyfriend !! We've a lot of articol en Italian about orthodoxia.

Thanks. [[User:Raggiodisole|Raggiodisole]] 15:30, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Hi Raggiodisole, I would be very happy to see an Italian version. The place to start is [[OrthodoxWiki:Localization]] -- would you be up for this translation work? — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 04:48, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

:: Dear Father, ok, I gladly accept.
Then, if I may, I would like to post new articles in Italian orthodoxy
Technically, I would like you opened your site because I have these technical skills, so I will translate the pages essential for the initiation site and part Italian and enrich it later.
How do I send you the translation? the insert here?
Thank you for your trust, we are now going to translate the page you showed me.
I greet you and thank you Father. [[User:Raggiodisole|Raggiodisole]] 13:12, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

:: Father this is the translation you asked me:

OrthodoxWiki: Localizzazione

Questa pagina fornisce i principi di politica ufficiale sull’enciclopedia OrthodoxWiki. Questa pagina è stata redatta consensualmente degli editori ed è considerata uno standard che tutti gli utenti devono seguire. Se si parte dell'amministrazione, non esitate ad aggiornare questa pagina, se necessario, ma occorre fare in modo che le modifiche apportate a questa politica
le voci che vi appaiano devono rispecchiare fedelmente il punto di vista ortodosso e si candidano quindi ad essere un punto di riferimento, una riflessione, per chi vuol conoscere la Chiesa Ortodossa.

Localizzazione e le relazioni inter-wiki (PROGETTO IN PROGRESS)

I commenti sono accolti

Indice [nascondi]
1 Definizioni
2 Contributori
2,1 Amministrazione
2,2 Responsabilità dei contributori
2,3 Loghi e Identità
2,4 Hosting e domini
2,5 Problemi di copyright
3 Colleghi
4 Appedix A: documenti fondamentali OrthodoxWiki
5 Appendice B: Localizzazioni Attivo
6 Appendice C: Localizzazioni in fase di progettazione
7 Appendice D: Risorse

Definizione : Cos’è OrthodoxWiki [Modifica]
La localizzazione si riferisce al processo di porting del progetto OrthodoxWiki in lingue diverse dall'inglese (la lingua originale).

Si riconoscono due accordi separati. 1. Affiliati, e 2. Colleghi.

Contributori ( Affiliato)

Un rapporto "affiliato" si ha quando un gruppo canonicamente ortodosso di persone che condividono la visione OrthodoxWiki, e il desiderio di estendere il progetto OrthodoxWiki's in altre lingue. Siamo molto felici quando per avere altri wiki-based ortodossi formalmente si aderisce all’OrthodoxWiki come affiliati pieni.

Amministrazione [Modifica]

Un rapporto di affiliazione inizia quando i volontari una o più persone dedicano sforzi sostanziali per creare e mantenere una OrthodoxWiki localizzata in una lingua che non dispone già di uno. Tutti i contatti dovrebbe passare attraverso Fr. John.

Se approvata, una o più persone del gruppo affiliato sarà data sysop di stato e sarà aggiunto alla mailing list sysop OrthodoxWiki.

Responsabilità di Contribuzione (Affiliazione) [Modifica]

E 'la responsabilità della filiale/i di mantenere e gestire attivamente il sito OrthodoxWiki localizzato in conformità con le linee guida principali OrthodoxWiki, in particolare la sua politica sul copyright (per motivi legali) e OrthodoxWiki principio di neutralità. Saranno anche responsabile della traduzione di testi fondamentali OrthodoxWiki dall'inglese in altre lingue.

All'interno di questi parametri, agli operatori locali viene dato un grande margine di manovra per quanto riguarda come è strutturato il loro wiki, stabilendo le priorità per quale tipo di materiale di importazione e di esportazione dalla lingua inglese OrthodoxWiki, e così via.

Se non riescono a soddisfare queste responsabilità, stato di affiliazione può essere revocata, e la loro sottodominio di hosting e annullato. Questo tipo di misura sarà usata, tuttavia, con parsimonia solo nei casi più gravi.

Loghi e identità [Modifica]

Gli OrthodoxWiki affiliati sono autorizzati e tenuti ad adottare il logo ufficiale OrthodoxWiki, anche se possono tradurre in altre lingue, se a loro piace. Allo stesso modo, si dovrebbero utilizzare la favicon OrthodoxWiki e il plugin di ricerca icona, permettono essi possono adattare queste come vogliono (per esempio, la modifica a un diverso colore per differenziare tra le versioni di OrthodoxWiki nella casella di ricerca o per i segnalibri).

Link a tutti gli OrthodoxWikis localizzate dovrebbero essere ben descritto sulla home page di ogni discreto / sito localizzato OrthodoxWiki.

I contributori (Affialiates) possono utilizzare uno dei linkbuttons OrthodoxWiki, tradotto o meno, o può creare il proprio.

Hosting e domini

Vi forniremo un sottodominio localizzato (come ru.orthodoxwiki.org, gr.orthodoxwiki.org, bu.orthodoxwiki.org, ecc.) Questo può essere indicato un altro indirizzo IP che sarà ospitata a livello locale, oppure possiamo fornire uno spazio sul server che ospita OrthodoxWiki (un server appartenente alla ortodossa Internet Services). In alcuni casi, un nome di dominio più appropriato per la lingua in questione può anche essere sistemato sul sottodominio.

Hosting e gestione tecnica del software MediaWiki può essere fornito gratuitamente da OrthodoxWiki, in associazione con gli ortodossi Internet Services. Tuttavia, è anche possibile per gli affiliati ospitare e gestire la propria installazione MediaWiki

Problemi di copyright

Per motivi pratici, è importante che OrthodoxWikis localizzato mantenga lo stesso copyright / accordo di licenza, come la lingua inglese OrthodoxWiki.

Dato che il wiki è localizzato nel progetto OrthodoxWiki, riteniamo che tutte le immagini e gli articoli per i quali OrthodoxWiki ha ottenuto un permesso speciale da utilizzare potrebbe essere utilizzato anche su OrthodoxWikis localizzato utilizzando lo stesso nome di dominio.

I colleghi [Modifica

Un rapporto "collega" è particolarmente appropriato in cui l'attenzione di un altro wiki (ad esempio, la loro interpretazione del NPOV e "mainstream Chalcedonian bias ortodossi") è diverso da OrthodoxWiki's. Ci aspettiamo che questo sarebbe il caso, ad esempio, se un vecchio gruppo Calendarist greco voluto creare il proprio wiki, o per copto / non-Calcedoniani o romana (o altro) wiki cattolica, o se un altro gruppo di ortodossi orientali ha voluto avviare una wiki con una particolare attenzione sostanzialmente diverso o missione. In alcuni casi, si possono riconoscere altri Wiki come "colleghi", anche se non si definiscono cristiani.

Il "collega" parola presuppone che noi abbiamo un senso della missione comune o di complementarietà, e siamo felici di lavorare insieme e sostenere ogni lavoro altrui.

In questo caso, non si può condividere un comune branding - nomi di dominio, i loghi, linkbuttons, ecc sarebbero tutti distinti. Allo stesso modo, speciali autorizzazioni per l’ immagine e l'articolo sarebbe gestiti separatamente.

I colleghi riceveranno un riconoscimento pubblico, i link sul wiki, così come il permesso esplicito di utilizzare qualsiasi materiale appropriato OrthodoxWiki (a patto che si inserisce il loro sistema di licenze) e di ogni altra assistenza o incoraggiamento siamo in grado di fornire.

Collega status può essere revocato in qualsiasi momento, soprattutto se la missione della vira altri wiki di là di un generale "NPOV" o presa di posizione "descrittivo" e formalmente adotta una forte polemica contro un altro gruppo in modo tale che non sono utili non avendo alcun rapporto formale con loro.

Appedix A: documenti fondamentali OrthodoxWiki

Si tratta di un elenco di documenti essenziali OrthodoxWiki che deve essere tradotto (in forma abbreviata, se necessario) e mantenuta coerente in localizzazioni. Il testo in lingua inglese rimane il testo "canonico".

Pagine principali sono:

OrthodoxWiki: A proposito - abbiamo bisogno di lavorare su una revisione di questo anche in inglese!
Almeno queste pagine politica OrthodoxWiki:
OrthodoxWiki: Copyrights
OrthodoxWiki: General disclaimer
OrthodoxWiki: Informazioni sulla privacy
OrthodoxWiki: Manuale di stile
Help: titoli di immagine
Core modelli includono:

Il più generico Modelli generali, in particolare:
Template: Benvenuto
Template: Stub
Template: Pulitura
Template: disambig
Tutti i modelli Copyright richieste per il materiale utilizzato sul sito affiliato, in particolare:
Template: Copyright
Template: non verificato
Template: Fairuse
Template: OWiki
Template: Skete.com
Template: Oca
Template: Htm
Template: Pd

Altre pagine che arricchiscono il funzionamento del wiki, ma non sono strettamente necessarie, o può essere più liberamente adattato per l'uso locale, sono:

OrthodoxWiki: News
OrthodoxWiki: Buzz
Le pagine di aiuto e le pagine nel namespace OrthodoxWiki.
Altre pagine template - vedi OrthodoxWiki: Modelli per un elenco completo

Appendice B: Localizzazioni Attivo

Bulgaro OrthodoxWiki (http://bg.orthodoxwiki.org) – Riferimento per un contatto: Costantino per aiutare o per ulteriori informazioni.
(Questo sito è considerato pienamente avviato e maturo.)
Rumeno di lingua OrthodoxWiki (http://ro.orthodoxwiki.org) –
Contatti Utente: Inistea per aiutare o per ulteriori informazioni.
(Questo sito è considerato pienamente avviato e maturo.)
Per una discussione in lingua araba OrthodoxWiki (fase Alpha: http://ar.orthodoxwiki.org), andare al OrthodoxWiki: Localizzazione / arabo. Vedi anche qui.
In lingua russa OrthodoxWiki (fase Alpha: http://ru.orthodoxwiki.org) - Vai alla OrthodoxWiki: Localizzazione / Russo.
Di lingua greca OrthodoxWiki - EL: Αρχική_σελίδα

Appendice C: Localizzazioni in fase di progettazione [Modifica]

Di lingua neerlandese OrthodoxWiki (nl.orthodoxwiki.org) –
Contatti Utente: Stephan per aiutare o per ulteriori informazioni.
Castigliano e portoghese –
Contatti Utente: Theofilactos (vedi anche qui).
Spagnolo: User: Alstradiaan.

Appendice D: Risorse [Modifica]

meta: MediaWiki_localisation
meta: Help: Esportazione e meta: Help: Import
meta: Recent_changes_extension - se si volesse unire elenchi delle ultime modifiche
meta: Meta: Babel_templates - mostra competenze linguistiche dell'utente
meta: transwiki
Estratto da "http://orthodoxwiki.org/OrthodoxWiki:Localization"

I send this translation in another place?
Thanks

:::Hi, Father John, I look forward to the Italian site and its address. Please Provide the technical aspect for you, after I insert the contributions to make it grow and I can call other people to feed.
Thanks a lot. Your sister in Christ!

::Dear [[User:Raggiodisole|Raggiodisole]] - sorry for the delay! This is wonderful. Please give me a little more time to set this up. I will get back to you. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

ok! thanks ! RAGGIODISOLE

::Thanks [[User:Raggiodisole|Raggiodisole]] - would you be able to post this on the Italiano wiki, and also cover the pages mentioned in that document under Appendix A: Core Documents ? The copyright pages are especially important. Grazie! I'm excited to see it.orthodoxwiki become a reality. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

::Hi,I would like to publish this translated page but I do not know where to place it on the Italian site, such as system?
Me and my boyfriend have already started working on the site, are the first entries that will improve with time. [[User:Raggiodisole|Raggiodisole]] 14:04, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Raggiodisole

2011-03-03T14:15:16Z

Raggiodisole:

User talk:FrJohn

2011-03-02T10:09:21Z

Raggiodisole:

User talk:FrJohn

2011-02-24T12:26:39Z

Raggiodisole: /* Italian Version */

User talk:Raggiodisole

2011-02-24T10:32:01Z

Raggiodisole:

User:Raggiodisole

2011-02-23T12:47:54Z

Raggiodisole:

I chose to work at the project wiki Orthodox because I believe that knowledge of "things of God" is important to spread the message of salvation in Christ, God's infinite mercy, hope and joy of every heart.
Introducing myself:

I'm Italian, graduated in Economics and a student at the Free Orthodox Theological Faculty San Gregorio Magno in Pistoia in Italy.
I work at a directorate manager of a large Italian government body.

[[Image:9222_1194935484378_1558182304_519115_397081_n.jpg]]

User:Raggiodisole

2011-02-23T12:46:50Z

Raggiodisole:

User talk:Andrew

2011-02-23T12:06:33Z

Raggiodisole:

== Primates of Russia ==

Andrew, I was thinking that the [[List of Primates of Russia]] would be more similar to the other ''List'' articles ([[List of Patriarchs of Constantinople]] and [[List of Patriarchs of Antioch]], for instance). I left the other information in the ''history'' section of the [[Church of Russia]] article, as I think that would be a better context. Is there a particular reason you changed the numbers to bullets? (Again, conformity with the other ''List'' articles.) I didn't look too closely at the list (just thought it deserved its own article), so I would be interested in learning your views on it and how it should be arranged. {{User:Magda/sig}} 14:47, November 23, 2005 (CST)

*I see, I was looking at it from another direction. I was looking at it as sort as a timeline type of thing, with comments here and there. (The comments restarted the numbering so I just bullets.) I moved the comments when the list was moved, because they described the list entries. [[User:Andrew|Andrew]] 14:58, November 23, 2005 (CST)

== Categorizing New Pages ==

Sorry if you already know this, but make sure that you categorize new pages when you make them. Thanks for contributing. I know very little about the [[Antiphons]]. Oh, and you can delete that welcome message on your user talk page, it helps, but if you don't like it you can take it out. Hey! It's your user talk page. [[User:Joe Rodgers|Joe]] 20050109

==[[Last Supper icon]]==
Good job on this page, particularly that it's a positive page rather than an anti-movie page. --{{User:Pistevo/sig}} 21:19, May 15, 2006 (CDT)

==1917-1918 Russian Council==
Andrew; I have been working on an article about the 1917-1918 Council based upon recent scholarship (a Phd dissertation) when I noticed your addition of a stub article on the same subject. Since my article is rather long, some nine or so pages, I took the liberty of taking information from your article to make mine more complete (such as where the first liturgy of the Council and where the enthronment were held). Our structures differ too much to edit your article. With the dissertation some 230 pages, my article only hits the highlights but addresses most of the main points of the Council! I have been tuning the article in the Sandbox and plan to introduce it as a replacement for your article. Hopefully it is still there to view. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 10:06, June 12, 2006 (CDT)

==Feature 7 Jul 06==
Thanks for keeping an eye out :) Also, if you have time to search (or happen to see a page you like), nominations for featured articles would be really great - at the moment we're running a little low. — edited by [[User:Pistevo|Pι]][[Special:Listusers/sysop|s]][[User talk:Pistevo|τ]][[Special:Contributions/Pistevo|é]][[User:Pistevo|vο]] at 18:17, July 7, 2006 (CDT)

== Deletions ==

Hi Andy, I'm on it. Thanks for calling attention. In the future, you can just leave a note on a sysop's page. {{User:FrJohn/sig}}

== Sysop Invite ==

Dear Andy,

I'd like to invite you to become an OrthodoxWiki sysop. This doesn't require much more time or commitment than you've already demonstrated. You'd be part of our ultra-secret OrthodoxWiki Sysop email list, where we work together to battle wiki-evil and talk about various issues affecting the life of OrthodoxWiki, and once in awhile bounce around ideas about its future. Also, you'd have superpowers on the wiki, allowing you to intervene in edit wars, and otherwise better manage articles. Finally, you'd be a reference point for other users - welcoming them in the name of OrthodoxWiki, and helping folks get the hang of the OrthodoxWiki style. Let me know if you'd like to accept this mission by leaving a note on my talk page or emailing me directly. Thanks, {{User:FrJohn/sig}}

::No problem, and no pressure, Andy. We're grateful for your help as you are able. {{User:FrJohn/sig}}

== Blank pages ==

Andrew, is there any way you can think of to find the pages with non-standard characters and address those issues? I keep coming across them at random, but it would be nice to know for sure when we're done dealing with them. —[[User:Magda|magda]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 11:43, March 7, 2007 (PST)

== Problems with vandals ==

It seems that we have problems with same person Wardemon666and SeanA. Could you block hs IP adress.
--[[User:Ddpbf|Ddpbf]] 06:02, June 18, 2007 (PDT)

== How to delete pictures ==

I do not know how to delete pictures from vandals

== Vandals ==

I protected article

== About language templates. ==

Could you make templates for Aincent Greek, Churchslavonic and Sebian Language.
--[[User:Ddpbf|Ddpbf]] 12:20, June 20, 2007 (PDT)

: Thanks, Andrew.
--[[User:Ddpbf|Ddpbf]] 05:26, June 22, 2007 (PDT)

== Recent images - Fair use doesn't apply ==

Dear Andrew,

Just a note to say that fair use doesn't applied to images just copied from another site. I'd suggest you try contacting them to get permission to use them here - we need an explicit OK. It would be great if they were willing to release the images under our default copyright scheme as well, or perhpas another Creative Commons license (by-nc-nd?). I'd send them a link to the article and hope for the best. Otherwise, we need to delete them. (You might want to delete them before they see the page.) Thanks,

Fr. John

== Articles needing citations category ==
Great idea! —[[User:Magda|magda]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 09:27, February 28, 2008 (PST)

== Linebreak ==
Thank you for finding and fixing [[Template:Lang|that line break]]; it was driving me crazy, and I didn't think of that template. —[[User:Magda|magda]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 19:53, April 11, 2008 (UTC)

==OrthodoxSource==
Hi, has Father John issued you with Administration access yet? - [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 00:08, July 25, 2008 (UTC)
:No, he did not, I only have sysop permissions here and at OrthodoxWiki Commons. I think that he may be away. - [[User:Andrew|Andy]] 14:36, July 25, 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks for your help over the last few days. I am unable to do much the last few days because I am quite committed with Work at the moment. - [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 02:16, July 29, 2008 (UTC)

==Alexandria Dioceses==

Thanks for setting up the category for the Alexandria dioceses. I've run into the problem of starting categories before and haven't been to figure out how it is done. Can you give me a pointer how to do it! Thanks again [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 21:02, July 23, 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks, Andy. Next time I'll give it a try - the thing I kick myself about is that several years ago I seemed able to start my own image category, but now I din't remember how I did it!!![[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 23:44, July 24, 2008 (UTC)

== Active appeal ==

There's currently an active appeal over at [[OrthodoxWiki talk:Administrators]]. If as an admin, you would like to participate, please feel free to do so. Thanks! —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 15:59, August 19, 2008 (UTC)

==Book Review==
I missed that it was a book review. On that premise it may have value, although my thought when I read it, is that it was an ad for a book. Thus my deletion response. If you think it has merit, then it should stay as you edited it. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 18:56, September 16, 2008 (UTC)

== URGENT - Ambush by computer generated Users ==

Hi, we are about to be ambushed by computer generated User accounts ....... [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 04:05, December 17, 2008 (UTC)

Hey ... do you know (or anyone) how to add "Image Verification" code to the "User Registration" so that they have to manually type what they see to stop this spam?? [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 21:58, December 17, 2008 (UTC)

== Help Needed ... ==

Hi Andrew, how are you going ... I know that you are excellent with codes (OSource) so I wanted to ask you for help on the following. Below, I have posted two codes. The first shows the column for each month populated and you will notice how the table wraps itself across the entire length of the screen. In the second, if none of the columns are populated, then the table reduces in width across the page. What I want to achieve is:

1) a constant width across the screen AND also a locked in column width for each of the months.
2) Reduced FONT size of the words that are placed in each column (perhaps about 50% of current size since each column will end up being populated by a few saints.

Are you able to modify the code to produce a workable result? Your helps is greatly appreciated!! [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 02:02, May 29, 2009 (UTC)

===Table 1: Utilises full width of screen but only when all columns are populated===
{| cellspacing="3"
|- valign="top"
|width="50%" class="MainPageBG" style="border: 1px solid #c6c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #F1F1F1"|
<div style="padding: .4em .9em .9em">
<h3>Seventeenth century (1601-1700):</h3>
{| style="clear: both; text-align: left;" class="toccolours"
|-
! width="100%" bgcolor="lightsteelblue" style="padding:0 0 0 50px;" | <center>''Saints and major Orthodox personalities from the 17th-century'' </center>
|-
| 'Introduction ...''
|-
| colspan="0" |
{| style="background:none;" border="1" width="100%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" style="font-size: 90%"; float: right; margin: 10px;"
!Year
!
!January
!February
!March
!April
!May
!June
!July
!August
!September
!October
!November
!December
|-
| align="right" style="font-size: 90%; vertical-align: top;" | '''1622'''
| align="left" style="font-size: 20%;" | || [[Dionysius of Zakynthos]] || [[Dionysius of Zakynthos]] || [[Dionysius of Zakynthos]] || [[Dionysius of Zakynthos]] || [[Dionysius of Zakynthos]] || [[Dionysius of Zakynthos]] || [[Dionysius of Zakynthos]] || [[Dionysius of Zakynthos]] || [[Dionysius of Zakynthos]] || [[Dionysius of Zakynthos]] || [[Dionysius of Zakynthos]] || [[December 17|17]] [[Dionysius of Zakynthos]]
|}
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|}

===Table 2, shrinks and columns have different widths when columns are not populated, not ideal===
{| cellspacing="3"
|- valign="top"
|width="50%" class="MainPageBG" style="border: 1px solid #c6c9ff; color: #000; background-color: #F1F1F1"|
<div style="padding: .4em .9em .9em">
<h3>Seventeenth century (1601-1700):</h3>
{| style="clear: both; text-align: left;" class="toccolours"
|-
! width="100%" bgcolor="lightsteelblue" style="padding:0 0 0 50px;" | <center>''Saints and major Orthodox personalities from the 17th-century'' </center>
|-
| 'Introduction ...''
|-
| colspan="0" |
{| style="background:none;" border="1" width="100%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" style="font-size: 90%"; float: right; margin: 10px;"
!Year
!
!January
!February
!March
!April
!May
!June
!July
!August
!September
!October
!November
!December
|-
| align="right" style="font-size: 90%; vertical-align: top;" | '''1622'''
| align="left" style="font-size: 20%;" | || [[Dionysius of Zakynthos]] || - || [[Dionysius of Zakynthos]] || - || - || - || - || - || [[Dionysius of Zakynthos]] || - || - || [[December 17|17]] [[Dionysius of Zakynthos]]
|}
|}
|}
{| }
== Maintenance ==
Thanks for your maintenance work Andrew! — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 22:01, June 11, 2009 (UTC)

== Adminship ==

Hi! I request adminship here please. --—[[User:Mr. man|Mister]] [[User talk:Mr. man|'''lasă-mi un mesaj''']] 20:07, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
:You need to ask [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]], I do not have the ability to do that. I do have SYSOP rights here, but I can't give rights to other users. Sorry - [[User:Andrew|Andy]] 20:17, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

==Bishops of Japan==
Hi Andy,

Nice job getting all the bishops categorized by city. I was thinking how to breakdown all (So many!) bishops into some categorization. I hadn't thought of using the city names; I was lending to "countries" but didn't like it.

The reason for this note is I notice that we have two categories covering the ruling bishops in Japan: Bishops of… and Metropolitans of … . I proposed that we use only one and that be Metropolitans of … . This would follow having all the ruling bishops of Russia, as an example, whether they were bishops, metropolitans or patriarchs. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 20:09, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

:Hi, Andy,

Your comments certainly open up further the dilemma I've had about the inconsistencies we have over titles, spellings, and such. I find myself going in circles at times, especially with transliterations. And, your question on the title for the ruling bishops of Japan hits right at it, as I may have been inconsistent myself.

I think the proper tittle for the metropolitans since autonomy is Metropolitan of Tokyo. According to the OCA's ''Orthodox America'' the title from Bp. Ireney to autonomy was bishop/archbishop of Tokyo. Before Bp. Ireney, I am not sure what the 'official' titles were. In a thesis by Masatoshi John Shoji, of which I have a copy, his references to Metr. Segius and Bp. Nicholas (Ono) are "…of Japan" and for Abp. Nicholas before them I'm less such.

After all this I suggest we use the current title of "…of Tokyo" and, as you note, just mention the differences in the article prolog, such as has been done for the Patriarch of Moscow. - Bill Kosar [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 16:39, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

== Request to help ==
It's again me. I would like to create something which looks like film infobox card in Wikipedia. May be, to use a table attached to right margin? Then this thing will look like template:infobox inserted in a article, although it would not be a template in reality. I want to do so in [[Puppy (2009 film)|this]] article. --[[User:Stone18|Stone18]] 23:35, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

And another problem: this file [[:Image:Puppy.jpg]] has error creating thumbnail. Help please.

== Italian Version ==

Hi Andrew, nice to meet you!
I wish me you opened the site in Italian so that I can add the contributions, I do not know because I can not open the website in Italian. Please can you help? How do I know if you opened the Italian version to be filled? [[User:Raggiodisole|Raggiodisole]] 12:06, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

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Raggiodisole:

Hi Basil!

I just finally got around to checking this message that you left for me a few months ago (copied below) and I appreciate the heads up! I understand that our articles should pertain to Orthodox Christianity. Nevertheless, I was hoping the articles deleted could in future be an explanation of Orthodox views on those religions - i.e. a more accurate explanation of how they are "break-aways" from our ancient Church and anything Christian about them they simply copied from us. That being said and given the views of the editors for OrthodoxWiki, why then do there exist articles about Roman Catholicism?

Thanks again.

In Christ,
-p

Dear Paulglass4u:

After some discussion with FrJohn, founder and lead sysop, I've deleted the articles you recently added on Lutheranism, Protestantism, and Old Catholicism.

An important feature of the subject orientation of OrthodoxWiki is that articles should pertain to Orthodox Christianity. (See the article on what OrthodoxWiki is about.) An article about the (purely hypothetical) Middle Earth Faux Baptist Convention would need to include information about the relations between Middle Earth Faux Baptists and Middle Earth Orthodox (such as Saint Gandalf the White), if there are any. Otherwise, users are free to use the Wikipedia project to learn more about the Middle Earth Faux Baptists.

I should note that a few of the pages you added had been deleted multiple times previously, so you're certainly not the first editor to make this mistake.

There is quite a lot to be said about the relationship of Orthodoxy to the sects and movements you were speaking of (think Cyril Lucaris, for example). However, such pages need to be concise and exclusively focused on their relations to Orthodoxy.

Thanks for your work editing. Let me know if you have any questions.

:::
Forgive my mistakes, I would like to contribute, I speak Italian and English will wait a little step by step instructions fr. John.
I do not know where to put my contributions in Italian, because we do not have the site in Italian, forgive me! [[User:Raggiodisole|Raggiodisole]] 10:03, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

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==August 17 Menaion==

Should we call our father among the saints Theodoretus the enlightener of the Sami, as opposed to the enlightener of the Lapps. Lapp is considered something of an ethnic slur; much like calling the Inuit by the name Eskimo. On the other hand, should we wait until the Menaion itself is changed to reflect the better name for the people of northern Scandinavia. [[User:Eddieuny|Eddieuny]] 03:22, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

:Hi Eddieuny, Thanks for your question. My take is that, since he is in the menaion as "Enlightener of the Lapps" we should do this, but with a footnote explaining what you just said -- it would be good to make people aware of this. Thanks! — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 04:30, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

==Ukrainian version==

Dear Father, I thought to start Ukrainian version. How can I do that? I work with articles related to Orthodoxy on Ukrainian wikipedia.

--[[User:Roman Z|Roman Z]] 21:38, March 12, 2009 (UTC)

==Orthodox Source==
Hi father john, it is with much sadness and hurt that I see you close down Orthodox Source. Mainly because I invested a huge amount of time to put information onto that site that took a lot of my time and I dont have access to any more. I am a bit saddened because you didnt even give me some notice that you were going to close the site down so that I could at least download some of the information onto my personal computer that I can access in the future ... a bit disappointed that this was not considered and an opportunity given to do this. It only proves that the Internet is not a very viable Christian tool. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 05:50, November 27, 2008 (UTC)

== Fact check ==

Dear Father,
I am trying to recall the name of the cemetery chapel at Saint Anna's Skete on the Holy Mountain. I wondered if you or any of your readers/discussants might help me.

Thanks,
Isaak Scott Cairns

:One source tells me it's "Holy Cross" — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 20:54, March 16, 2009 (UTC)

== Hymns of Contrition ==

Father John, I bought a CD last night that in Greek is called "Kataniktika of Great lent". So, I set about doing a google today to find out just what are these hymns (although I understand the words). Many articles come up but they are primarily from the Catholic church and are seven Psalms ... these do not seem to be the format of the kataniktiko service. Can you help me. What are the Kataniktika of Great Lent? I want to post an article onto OrthodoxWiki for others to reference too.!! Thanks in advance. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 22:54, March 16, 2009 (UTC)

:O man, these Greek terms -- best ask a Byzantine-style cantor, I think. Anyone around here? — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

::Триоди в Воскресенья - the CD translates the "Kataniktika" as the "Hymns of Contrition". However, if you do a google on that term it comes up with the Catholic version of Hymns of Contrition - which are not the same! Oi! What is wrong with the Greek terms? The church lasted 2,000 years because of the beauty in the Greek language :-) Do you want us to convert everything to Russian so you can understand? LOL ANYWAY! You are a priest - you should know what these are! ROFL [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 23:07, March 16, 2009 (UTC)

::: The ''Katanyktikoi Hymnoi'' (it helps to use standard Latinization for Greek!) may be called the "Hymns of Contrition" or "Penitential Hymns," and the term refers to a wide set of pieces of hymnography used throughout the period of the Triodion, most especially in the stichera of Lenten Vespers (most often referenced in Sunday night Vespers).

::: They are not the same thing as the "Penitential Psalms." —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 23:53, March 16, 2009 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! What I did was cut and paste what you just said and inserted it into an article. Hopefully we can develop it a little ... there is not much available on the Internet for this. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 00:34, March 17, 2009 (UTC)

== ΒΟΗΘΕΙΑ ==

ΧΡΕΙΑΖΟΜΑΙ ΣΤΟΙΧΕΙΑ ΓΙΑ ΜΙΑ ΠΑΛΙΑ ΑΙΡΕΣΗ, ΛΕΓΕΤΑΙ ΑΦΘΑΡΤΟΔΟΚΗΤΙΣΜΟΣ ΚΑΙ ΙΔΡΥΤΗΣ ΤΗΣ ΗΤΑΝ Ο ΕΠΙΣΚΟΠΟΣ ΑΛΙΚΑΡΝΑΣΣΟΥ ΙΟΥΛΙΑΝΟΣ

:Ελληνικά, παρακαλώ. Δεν μιλούν ελληνικά. Σε ευχαριστώ. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

==User Creation - Proposal==
Greetings Fr. John,
With the amount of Vandalism we have, I propose that anyone requesting a new account first has to submit a request online, with some brief info about temselves, and THEN THE REQUEST WILL REQUIRE APPROVAL by yourself or Fr. Andrew or other Sysops. '''The ability for anyone to automatically create accounts will be disabled''', unless they are sincere and simply request a free account which they can then of course have; I think that the Conservapedia and some other wikis might have this system in place. Anyhow, just an idea I wanted to pass along :)

By the way, regarding the note immediately above this one (in greek), it reads something like this: ''"I require information on an ancient heresy, called "Aftharto-Docetism"?, and its proponent was the Bishop of Halicarnassos Julianos."'' I see that it was an unsigned comment however.

Cheers, [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 00:10, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

:Hi Angellight, given the number of users we have, this sounds like an awful lot of work. I'd rather just clean up occasionally as needed, but let me keep my eyes open for another solution. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 00:17, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

::other forums require that you Verify your "humanity" by typing into a box the combination of numbers/letters you can see on the screen to verify that you are indeed "real" and not a bot. maybe that is all you need. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 00:51, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

::::Yep, was just posting that I've just installed a captcha test for new user registrations. It won't block disturbed individuals, but should help with the automated creation of accounts from multiple un-blacklisted IPs where email verification can be performed. Amazing we have to deal with that, eh? — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 00:55, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, you have to wonder why they havent got better things to do than hurl abuse at people who are minding their own business ... I learnt something yesterday. A priest called Fr Demetrius wrote an email about praying for the deceased soul of a "george" who was a pro-abortionist in America. When you read with what tenderness and love Fr Demetrius writes about this "sinner" you realise how much we just pity these people - for they know not what they do. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 01:04, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

:::The only effect really is to drain a little bit of my time away :-(. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

::::Hey, I just did an EDIT on an article and it asked me to fill out a box ... is this going to be the standard practise from now on for editing as it will grow tedious I think for regulars? [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 01:37, June 4, 2009 (UTC)
:::Whoops, I'll fix this. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 01:43, June 4, 2009 (UTC)
:::I missed the setting that said "Require captcha when user edits page and adds a link" - let me know if it happens again! — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

::::Sure, also while I have you and you are in a good mood :D I would like to ask for a favour (as far as practical) my heart is to complete the most comprehensive Table of Saints (in Chronological order) - as you can witness by this new article. At present, I am systematically and patiently working through the information ON OrthodoxWiki ... how can I identify saints I have missed NOT listed on OrthodoxWiki. Do you have any suggestions? [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 01:53, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

:::Wow! Sounds like a big job. I guess you'd have to check the websites of the various Orthodox jurisdictions around the world, or get your hands on a really good synaxarion (I like the one published by at Ormylia) and refer to its index. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 01:56, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

== Glitch ==

See [[Talk:Alban|this]]. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 01:59, July 8, 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks, message left. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 05:38, July 8, 2009 (UTC)

== Sysop. ==

Hello Fr. John.
I am a Greek Orthodox user. I was wonderign if you can add me as a sysop to help you out with the site. I have a lot of time on my hands.

In his service,
--[[User:Greeks|Greeks]] 15:23, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

==Hello!==
Hi sir! I would like to create a project OrthodoxWiki dutch language and I have rights bureaucrat, administrator, renameuser, Checkuser and oversight, thanks. —[[User:Mr. man|Mister]] [[User talk:Mr. man|'''lasă-mi un mesaj''']] 17:23, February 20, 2010 (UTC)ﻧ

:You are active or no? For 2 months you no response me. --—[[User:Mr. man|Mister]] [[User talk:Mr. man|'''lasă-mi un mesaj''']] 15:15, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Many Orthodox believers have asked about the Icon of Christ and the Ancient of Days and confusing this elder sitting next to Christ with God the Father.
They are not alone, for the entire Roman Catholic Church believes that this is the case and their belief has by the process of osmosis been picked up by many of our clergy and this icon has been ejected from many of our Churches. It is not true for the Ancient of Days is the Son of God who was begotten before all time. If they recall, Christ in the incarnation had divested Himself of those signs of being God and had assumed the appearance of a mere servant. The icon of the Platytera teaches us that the Holy Virgin's womb contained the "uncontainable, therefore those aspects of God the Son of God remained in the mystery of Heaven. Read on with what I have written:

QUESTION:

v Do you recall ever having seen this icon of Jesus Christ holding his cross, sitting at the right of an elderly man with white hair?
at their feet there are cherubic figures, and about them there are clouds. They both have a nimbus above their head and above them
there is a white dove, sometimes within a circle or a triangle.
v Is there anything incorrect about it ?
v Why is it not found in today’s churches ?
v What is its origin ?

For those of us who are old enough, this icon is familiar. We had seen it in most of the Greek Orthodox Churches when we were children. It was located on the iconostasion on the right side of the royal entrance, the spot currently occupied by the icon of Christ. I do remember it in St. Sophia Cathedral (until the 1960’s) and in the Holy Trinity Church in Waterbury, Connecticut (in the 1920’-30’s). St. Sophia’s oldest icons were contributed to a more recently established parish in Virginia and this icon was still in use there as of seven years ago.

What is wrong with it? It has a perfectly good representation of Christ. He is seated at the right hand of an elderly man who is giving a blessing and they are both apparently seated in majesty in heaven. There are little, western style cherubs at their feet. The elderly man supposedly represents God the Father. Instead of a halo, His head is usually surrounded by a triangle which, I presume, represents the Holy Trinity. I have heard of Him in this representation being named the “Ancient of Days.” What is wrong with all this is that God the Father is purely spirit and cannot be portrayed in any manner. Christ said in the New Testament, “When you see Me, you see my Father.” This is the reason why this icon has been supplanted by one of Christ alone, for when we see Christ in an icon, we see the Father.

How did we come to portray God the Father in this manner? I could not discover the answer in any book on iconography or theology available to me. It was not until I came across a passage in the Septuagint Scriptures that I found the answer in the Book of Daniel chapter VII, verses 9 - 10 and 13 - 14.

[9] I beheld until the thrones were set, and the Ancient of days sat; and his raiment was white as snow, and the hair of his head as pure wool: his throne was a flame of fire, and his wheels burning fire. [10] A stream of fire rushed forth before him: thousand thousands ministered to him, and ten thousands of myriads attended upon him: the judgment sat, and the books were opened.
[13] I beheld in the night vision, and, lo, one coming with the clouds of heaven as the Son of Man, and he came on to the Ancient of Days, and was brought near to him. [14] And to him was given the dominion, and the honour,and the kingdom; and all the nations, tribes, and languages, shall serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom shall not be destroyed.

This vision and prophesy of Daniel has been identified, in both Latin Catholic and Protestant sources as a prefiguration of God the Father and the powers and glory which He has bestowed upon God the Son, Jesus Christ - the Son of Man. This passage may have been the source of the artistic rendering of God the Father as the “Ancient of Days.” Whether this conception was original with our iconographers or was influenced by the realistic presentations of western artists is not known. Indeed we have a prime example of this in Michaelangelo’s painting of God in the Sistine Chapel and the western style cherubs at their feet. His portraiture is that of an old man with white hair and a white beard, reaching out with his finger to endow Adam with life. None of these features are found in Orthodox iconography and their being in this icon suggests the influence of western imaging since large portions of Greece had been occupied for several centuries by Venetian, Catalan and other Latins.

Regardless of its origins, this icon is considered erroneous today.

Providence has a way of providing us with truths to heal our ignorance. I believe that I have discovered the significance of this icon while reading A Discourse On the Nativity of Christ by St. Gregory Thaumatourgos, Bishop of Neo-Caesarea (died 260) . He wrote:

“The new wonders do strike me with awe. The Ancient of Days is become a Child, to make people children of God. Sitting in glory in the Heavens, because of His love for mankind, He now layeth in a manger of dumb beasts.”

Do the words of Gregory’s statement imply that this icon could represent a “double image” of Christ? First as the “Ancient of Days”, the only-begotten Son of God, born before all ages. Adjacent to Him is the younger Incarnate Jesus Christ, Son of Man(-kind) as He appeared to us on earth in His kenotic form (i.e. when He “emptied Himself” and “became as a base servant”). Gone would be the mistaken identification of the Ancient of Days as God the Father, which is the mainstay of western explanations. Such an interpretation of this icon sheds a completely new light upon it, a light which may render it theologically legitimate. Even so St. Gregory goes on to say: “The Impassionate, Incorporeal, Incomprehensible One is taken by human hands, in order to atone the violence of sinners.” If the Ancient of Days has these chacteristics, is it permissible to portray him in an icon? Does the fact that He becomes incarnate as Jesus Christ repeal the prohibition of showing Him as an aged man?
However, St. Gregory’s words have allowed me to learn the true meaning of this prophesy from the Book of Daniel. It is a prophesy of the Parousia, the Second Coming of Christ, when the “books will be opened” and the “secrets of men will be revealed.” I am thankful to have gained this knowledge so that I can look upon this icon with greater appreciation. Later yet, I discovered that there is an icon in St. Katherine’s Monastery at Sinai which depicts the Ancient of Days, and on his lap rests Jesus as a child. This icon is said to confirm the concept voiced by St. Gregory that The Ancient of Days is the heavenly manifestation of the Son of God.

The Ancient of Days with a child Jesus Christ on His Lap, 12th century
At St. Katherine’s Monastery Church, Mt. Sinai
(You can find this icon on the internet)

== Psalter quote ==

Father John,
Bless!
My name is Manoli and I'm an 18 year old recent high school graduate. I am distantly acquainted with Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick and I'm writing an essay for the PanHellenic Foundation, trying to get a scholarship for college. I want to use the "golden thread" quote from "one modern commentator" on the OrthodoxWiki "Psalter" page. If you know who that person is, or who would know who that person is, I'd appreciate any info...Fr. Andrew doesn't and although I'm registered on OrthodoxWiki as CampNazFanatic, I don't know much about using the site so I decided to contact you. Please respond asap as this essay is due like tomorrow.
Thanks,
Manoli
--CampNazFanatic[[CampNazFanatic]]

==IMAGES ISSUES==
Warm greetings Fr. John,

I hope it is okay that I am contacting you directly, but this problem has not been resolved for some time. Could you kindly look into rectifying the long-standing problem with uploaded images not displaying - they do not display once they are uploaded and they do not display especially as thumbnails.

See here: the [http://commons.orthodoxwiki.org/Special:Newimages Gallery of New Image Files];

I had left a note at the OrthodoxWiki Trapeza [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza#Thumbnails_Error|here]] regarding this error some time ago, but it has gone unanswered and the problem is not resolved.

Surely there must be a process to have this investigated? -- i.e. Where is the OW site hosted? Which person(s)/webmasters or what entity is in charge of maintenance? Who needs to be called? Who is in control? And WHERE is their accountability???? Why have they ignored this for so long? Was this change done intentionally for some reason and if so why is there no notice informing the users? This problem has persisted for a very long time now, and it appears that it is a feature that has been disabled. If it stays non-functional this way I fear that this will discourage further users from wanting to contribute to OW. If there is something I have overlooked apologies in advance. Hoping something can be done. Thanks and kind regards :) [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 05:49, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

::Hi Angellight -- I apologize for the frustration. Sadly, it is I -- the negligent webmaster. and the volunteer in charge of site maintenance (but with many distractions). Please be assured that there is nothing intentional in the problem - the site just needs an upgrade. Because of the way the databases are tied together for each localization, it gets a little complex. I will strive to find some time to fix this soon. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 07:28, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

:::Many thanks for the info dear Fr.; good to know the site will be eventually upgraded and that this will be addressed then. Please forgive my initial frustration. This is a wonderful resource and I hope to see it grow. Cheers, [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 18:55, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

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:Fr. John, this may be part of the same problem, if one tries to add a image and re-size it they get an error:
Error creating thumbnail: Warning: passthru() has been disabled for security reasons in
/home/owiki/public_html/shared/includes /GlobalFunctions.php on line 1839 
:(just an FYI) - [[User:Andrew|Andy]] 16:41, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

::I apologize for the delay in getting this resolved. Thumbnails should now be working again! — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

== Suppression ==

Unfortunately, after going through some articles and dead links, it seems that the Oriental Orthodox Church is suppressed on this OrthodoxWiki. it is a shame becuase this wiki is what should unite us together in Christ, not divide us and furthurmore insult our brothers and sisters. No one would dare do that to Christ. Eastern Orthodoxy and Oreintal Orthodoxy are probably the closest, most Orthodox, unchanging groups of Churches. I pray that one day we will once again be reunited as one in His Church.

God Bless

:: Hello [[Cmd|User:Cmd]] - It is certainly not my heart to suppress Oriental Orthodoxy in any way. In fact, just about 30 minutes ago I was speaking about my respect for Oriental Orthodox Christians, and talking about how the Christological differences have been largely resolved. This is a joy to me. Please see [[OrthodoxWiki:Style_Manual_%28Point_of_View%29]] for the stated policy of this site. If you can point to specific examples of suppression, that would be helpful. In Christ, — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 23:32, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

== About the 3 photos at the text ''Monastery of St Patapios (Loutraki, Greece)'' ==

Dear Father John. I have added 3 photos at the text ''Monastery of St Patapios (Loutraki, Greece)'', but they do not appear in the article, however they appear when I ''clic'' on them. Could you please help me make them appear at the article. Is it a problem from your server? Please help me and you will have the bless of Saint Pastapios. [[User:688dim|688dim]] 22:15, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

::Dear 688dim, Thanks for the bug report. This should now be fixed. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
:::Thanks, Fr. John for catching the "bug". I missed the pictures![[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 22:56, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

== Italian Version ==

::: Dear Father, I thought to start Italian version. How can I do that?
me and my boyfriend !! We've a lot of articol en Italian about orthodoxia.

Thanks. [[User:Raggiodisole|Raggiodisole]] 15:30, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Hi Raggiodisole, I would be very happy to see an Italian version. The place to start is [[OrthodoxWiki:Localization]] -- would you be up for this translation work? — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 04:48, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

:: Dear Father, ok, I gladly accept.
Then, if I may, I would like to post new articles in Italian orthodoxy
Technically, I would like you opened your site because I have these technical skills, so I will translate the pages essential for the initiation site and part Italian and enrich it later.
How do I send you the translation? the insert here?
Thank you for your trust, we are now going to translate the page you showed me.
I greet you and thank you Father. [[User:Raggiodisole|Raggiodisole]] 13:12, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

:: Father this is the translation you asked me:

OrthodoxWiki: Localizzazione

Questa pagina fornisce i principi di politica ufficiale sull’enciclopedia OrthodoxWiki. Questa pagina è stata redatta consensualmente degli editori ed è considerata uno standard che tutti gli utenti devono seguire. Se si parte dell'amministrazione, non esitate ad aggiornare questa pagina, se necessario, ma occorre fare in modo che le modifiche apportate a questa politica
le voci che vi appaiano devono rispecchiare fedelmente il punto di vista ortodosso e si candidano quindi ad essere un punto di riferimento, una riflessione, per chi vuol conoscere la Chiesa Ortodossa.

Localizzazione e le relazioni inter-wiki (PROGETTO IN PROGRESS)

I commenti sono accolti

Indice [nascondi]
1 Definizioni
2 Contributori
2,1 Amministrazione
2,2 Responsabilità dei contributori
2,3 Loghi e Identità
2,4 Hosting e domini
2,5 Problemi di copyright
3 Colleghi
4 Appedix A: documenti fondamentali OrthodoxWiki
5 Appendice B: Localizzazioni Attivo
6 Appendice C: Localizzazioni in fase di progettazione
7 Appendice D: Risorse

Definizione : Cos’è OrthodoxWiki [Modifica]
La localizzazione si riferisce al processo di porting del progetto OrthodoxWiki in lingue diverse dall'inglese (la lingua originale).

Si riconoscono due accordi separati. 1. Affiliati, e 2. Colleghi.

Contributori ( Affiliato)

Un rapporto "affiliato" si ha quando un gruppo canonicamente ortodosso di persone che condividono la visione OrthodoxWiki, e il desiderio di estendere il progetto OrthodoxWiki's in altre lingue. Siamo molto felici quando per avere altri wiki-based ortodossi formalmente si aderisce all’OrthodoxWiki come affiliati pieni.

Amministrazione [Modifica]

Un rapporto di affiliazione inizia quando i volontari una o più persone dedicano sforzi sostanziali per creare e mantenere una OrthodoxWiki localizzata in una lingua che non dispone già di uno. Tutti i contatti dovrebbe passare attraverso Fr. John.

Se approvata, una o più persone del gruppo affiliato sarà data sysop di stato e sarà aggiunto alla mailing list sysop OrthodoxWiki.

Responsabilità di Contribuzione (Affiliazione) [Modifica]

E 'la responsabilità della filiale/i di mantenere e gestire attivamente il sito OrthodoxWiki localizzato in conformità con le linee guida principali OrthodoxWiki, in particolare la sua politica sul copyright (per motivi legali) e OrthodoxWiki principio di neutralità. Saranno anche responsabile della traduzione di testi fondamentali OrthodoxWiki dall'inglese in altre lingue.

All'interno di questi parametri, agli operatori locali viene dato un grande margine di manovra per quanto riguarda come è strutturato il loro wiki, stabilendo le priorità per quale tipo di materiale di importazione e di esportazione dalla lingua inglese OrthodoxWiki, e così via.

Se non riescono a soddisfare queste responsabilità, stato di affiliazione può essere revocata, e la loro sottodominio di hosting e annullato. Questo tipo di misura sarà usata, tuttavia, con parsimonia solo nei casi più gravi.

Loghi e identità [Modifica]

Gli OrthodoxWiki affiliati sono autorizzati e tenuti ad adottare il logo ufficiale OrthodoxWiki, anche se possono tradurre in altre lingue, se a loro piace. Allo stesso modo, si dovrebbero utilizzare la favicon OrthodoxWiki e il plugin di ricerca icona, permettono essi possono adattare queste come vogliono (per esempio, la modifica a un diverso colore per differenziare tra le versioni di OrthodoxWiki nella casella di ricerca o per i segnalibri).

Link a tutti gli OrthodoxWikis localizzate dovrebbero essere ben descritto sulla home page di ogni discreto / sito localizzato OrthodoxWiki.

I contributori (Affialiates) possono utilizzare uno dei linkbuttons OrthodoxWiki, tradotto o meno, o può creare il proprio.

Hosting e domini

Vi forniremo un sottodominio localizzato (come ru.orthodoxwiki.org, gr.orthodoxwiki.org, bu.orthodoxwiki.org, ecc.) Questo può essere indicato un altro indirizzo IP che sarà ospitata a livello locale, oppure possiamo fornire uno spazio sul server che ospita OrthodoxWiki (un server appartenente alla ortodossa Internet Services). In alcuni casi, un nome di dominio più appropriato per la lingua in questione può anche essere sistemato sul sottodominio.

Hosting e gestione tecnica del software MediaWiki può essere fornito gratuitamente da OrthodoxWiki, in associazione con gli ortodossi Internet Services. Tuttavia, è anche possibile per gli affiliati ospitare e gestire la propria installazione MediaWiki

Problemi di copyright

Per motivi pratici, è importante che OrthodoxWikis localizzato mantenga lo stesso copyright / accordo di licenza, come la lingua inglese OrthodoxWiki.

Dato che il wiki è localizzato nel progetto OrthodoxWiki, riteniamo che tutte le immagini e gli articoli per i quali OrthodoxWiki ha ottenuto un permesso speciale da utilizzare potrebbe essere utilizzato anche su OrthodoxWikis localizzato utilizzando lo stesso nome di dominio.

I colleghi [Modifica
Un rapporto "collega" è particolarmente appropriato in cui l'attenzione di un altro wiki (ad esempio, la loro interpretazione del NPOV e "mainstream Chalcedonian bias ortodossi") è diverso da OrthodoxWiki's. Ci aspettiamo che questo sarebbe il caso, ad esempio, se un vecchio gruppo Calendarist greco voluto creare il proprio wiki, o per copto / non-Calcedoniani o romana (o altro) wiki cattolica, o se un altro gruppo di ortodossi orientali ha voluto avviare una wiki con una particolare attenzione sostanzialmente diverso o missione. In alcuni casi, si possono riconoscere altri Wiki come "colleghi", anche se non si definiscono cristiani.

Il "collega" parola presuppone che noi abbiamo un senso della missione comune o di complementarietà, e siamo felici di lavorare insieme e sostenere ogni lavoro altrui.

In questo caso, non si può condividere un comune branding - nomi di dominio, i loghi, linkbuttons, ecc sarebbero tutti distinti. Allo stesso modo, speciali autorizzazioni per l’ immagine e l'articolo sarebbe gestiti separatamente.

I colleghi riceveranno un riconoscimento pubblico, i link sul wiki, così come il permesso esplicito di utilizzare qualsiasi materiale appropriato OrthodoxWiki (a patto che si inserisce il loro sistema di licenze) e di ogni altra assistenza o incoraggiamento siamo in grado di fornire.

Collega status può essere revocato in qualsiasi momento, soprattutto se la missione della vira altri wiki di là di un generale "NPOV" o presa di posizione "descrittivo" e formalmente adotta una forte polemica contro un altro gruppo in modo tale che non sono utili non avendo alcun rapporto formale con loro.

Appedix A: documenti fondamentali OrthodoxWiki

Si tratta di un elenco di documenti essenziali OrthodoxWiki che deve essere tradotto (in forma abbreviata, se necessario) e mantenuta coerente in localizzazioni. Il testo in lingua inglese rimane il testo "canonico".

Pagine principali sono:

OrthodoxWiki: A proposito - abbiamo bisogno di lavorare su una revisione di questo anche in inglese!
Almeno queste pagine politica OrthodoxWiki:
OrthodoxWiki: Copyrights
OrthodoxWiki: General disclaimer
OrthodoxWiki: Informazioni sulla privacy
OrthodoxWiki: Manuale di stile
Help: titoli di immagine
Core modelli includono:

Il più generico Modelli generali, in particolare:
Template: Benvenuto
Template: Stub
Template: Pulitura
Template: disambig
Tutti i modelli Copyright richieste per il materiale utilizzato sul sito affiliato, in particolare:
Template: Copyright
Template: non verificato
Template: Fairuse
Template: OWiki
Template: Skete.com
Template: Oca
Template: Htm
Template: Pd

Altre pagine che arricchiscono il funzionamento del wiki, ma non sono strettamente necessarie, o può essere più liberamente adattato per l'uso locale, sono:

OrthodoxWiki: News
OrthodoxWiki: Buzz
Le pagine di aiuto e le pagine nel namespace OrthodoxWiki.
Altre pagine template - vedi OrthodoxWiki: Modelli per un elenco completo

Appendice B: Localizzazioni Attivo

Bulgaro OrthodoxWiki (http://bg.orthodoxwiki.org) – Riferimento per un contatto: Costantino per aiutare o per ulteriori informazioni.
(Questo sito è considerato pienamente avviato e maturo.)
Rumeno di lingua OrthodoxWiki (http://ro.orthodoxwiki.org) –
Contatti Utente: Inistea per aiutare o per ulteriori informazioni.
(Questo sito è considerato pienamente avviato e maturo.)
Per una discussione in lingua araba OrthodoxWiki (fase Alpha: http://ar.orthodoxwiki.org), andare al OrthodoxWiki: Localizzazione / arabo. Vedi anche qui.
In lingua russa OrthodoxWiki (fase Alpha: http://ru.orthodoxwiki.org) - Vai alla OrthodoxWiki: Localizzazione / Russo.
Di lingua greca OrthodoxWiki - EL: Αρχική_σελίδα

Appendice C: Localizzazioni in fase di progettazione [Modifica]

Di lingua neerlandese OrthodoxWiki (nl.orthodoxwiki.org) –
Contatti Utente: Stephan per aiutare o per ulteriori informazioni.
Castigliano e portoghese –
Contatti Utente: Theofilactos (vedi anche qui).
Spagnolo: User: Alstradiaan.

Appendice D: Risorse [Modifica]

meta: MediaWiki_localisation
meta: Help: Esportazione e meta: Help: Import
meta: Recent_changes_extension - se si volesse unire elenchi delle ultime modifiche
meta: Meta: Babel_templates - mostra competenze linguistiche dell'utente
meta: transwiki
Estratto da "http://orthodoxwiki.org/OrthodoxWiki:Localization"

I send this translation in another place?
Thanks

User talk:FrJohn

2011-02-22T19:44:01Z

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==August 17 Menaion==

Should we call our father among the saints Theodoretus the enlightener of the Sami, as opposed to the enlightener of the Lapps. Lapp is considered something of an ethnic slur; much like calling the Inuit by the name Eskimo. On the other hand, should we wait until the Menaion itself is changed to reflect the better name for the people of northern Scandinavia. [[User:Eddieuny|Eddieuny]] 03:22, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

:Hi Eddieuny, Thanks for your question. My take is that, since he is in the menaion as "Enlightener of the Lapps" we should do this, but with a footnote explaining what you just said -- it would be good to make people aware of this. Thanks! — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 04:30, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

==Ukrainian version==

Dear Father, I thought to start Ukrainian version. How can I do that? I work with articles related to Orthodoxy on Ukrainian wikipedia.

--[[User:Roman Z|Roman Z]] 21:38, March 12, 2009 (UTC)

==Orthodox Source==
Hi father john, it is with much sadness and hurt that I see you close down Orthodox Source. Mainly because I invested a huge amount of time to put information onto that site that took a lot of my time and I dont have access to any more. I am a bit saddened because you didnt even give me some notice that you were going to close the site down so that I could at least download some of the information onto my personal computer that I can access in the future ... a bit disappointed that this was not considered and an opportunity given to do this. It only proves that the Internet is not a very viable Christian tool. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 05:50, November 27, 2008 (UTC)

== Fact check ==

Dear Father,
I am trying to recall the name of the cemetery chapel at Saint Anna's Skete on the Holy Mountain. I wondered if you or any of your readers/discussants might help me.

Thanks,
Isaak Scott Cairns

:One source tells me it's "Holy Cross" — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 20:54, March 16, 2009 (UTC)

== Hymns of Contrition ==

Father John, I bought a CD last night that in Greek is called "Kataniktika of Great lent". So, I set about doing a google today to find out just what are these hymns (although I understand the words). Many articles come up but they are primarily from the Catholic church and are seven Psalms ... these do not seem to be the format of the kataniktiko service. Can you help me. What are the Kataniktika of Great Lent? I want to post an article onto OrthodoxWiki for others to reference too.!! Thanks in advance. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 22:54, March 16, 2009 (UTC)

:O man, these Greek terms -- best ask a Byzantine-style cantor, I think. Anyone around here? — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

::Триоди в Воскресенья - the CD translates the "Kataniktika" as the "Hymns of Contrition". However, if you do a google on that term it comes up with the Catholic version of Hymns of Contrition - which are not the same! Oi! What is wrong with the Greek terms? The church lasted 2,000 years because of the beauty in the Greek language :-) Do you want us to convert everything to Russian so you can understand? LOL ANYWAY! You are a priest - you should know what these are! ROFL [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 23:07, March 16, 2009 (UTC)

::: The ''Katanyktikoi Hymnoi'' (it helps to use standard Latinization for Greek!) may be called the "Hymns of Contrition" or "Penitential Hymns," and the term refers to a wide set of pieces of hymnography used throughout the period of the Triodion, most especially in the stichera of Lenten Vespers (most often referenced in Sunday night Vespers).

::: They are not the same thing as the "Penitential Psalms." —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 23:53, March 16, 2009 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! What I did was cut and paste what you just said and inserted it into an article. Hopefully we can develop it a little ... there is not much available on the Internet for this. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 00:34, March 17, 2009 (UTC)

== ΒΟΗΘΕΙΑ ==

ΧΡΕΙΑΖΟΜΑΙ ΣΤΟΙΧΕΙΑ ΓΙΑ ΜΙΑ ΠΑΛΙΑ ΑΙΡΕΣΗ, ΛΕΓΕΤΑΙ ΑΦΘΑΡΤΟΔΟΚΗΤΙΣΜΟΣ ΚΑΙ ΙΔΡΥΤΗΣ ΤΗΣ ΗΤΑΝ Ο ΕΠΙΣΚΟΠΟΣ ΑΛΙΚΑΡΝΑΣΣΟΥ ΙΟΥΛΙΑΝΟΣ

:Ελληνικά, παρακαλώ. Δεν μιλούν ελληνικά. Σε ευχαριστώ. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

==User Creation - Proposal==
Greetings Fr. John,
With the amount of Vandalism we have, I propose that anyone requesting a new account first has to submit a request online, with some brief info about temselves, and THEN THE REQUEST WILL REQUIRE APPROVAL by yourself or Fr. Andrew or other Sysops. '''The ability for anyone to automatically create accounts will be disabled''', unless they are sincere and simply request a free account which they can then of course have; I think that the Conservapedia and some other wikis might have this system in place. Anyhow, just an idea I wanted to pass along :)

By the way, regarding the note immediately above this one (in greek), it reads something like this: ''"I require information on an ancient heresy, called "Aftharto-Docetism"?, and its proponent was the Bishop of Halicarnassos Julianos."'' I see that it was an unsigned comment however.

Cheers, [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 00:10, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

:Hi Angellight, given the number of users we have, this sounds like an awful lot of work. I'd rather just clean up occasionally as needed, but let me keep my eyes open for another solution. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 00:17, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

::other forums require that you Verify your "humanity" by typing into a box the combination of numbers/letters you can see on the screen to verify that you are indeed "real" and not a bot. maybe that is all you need. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 00:51, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

::::Yep, was just posting that I've just installed a captcha test for new user registrations. It won't block disturbed individuals, but should help with the automated creation of accounts from multiple un-blacklisted IPs where email verification can be performed. Amazing we have to deal with that, eh? — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 00:55, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, you have to wonder why they havent got better things to do than hurl abuse at people who are minding their own business ... I learnt something yesterday. A priest called Fr Demetrius wrote an email about praying for the deceased soul of a "george" who was a pro-abortionist in America. When you read with what tenderness and love Fr Demetrius writes about this "sinner" you realise how much we just pity these people - for they know not what they do. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 01:04, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

:::The only effect really is to drain a little bit of my time away :-(. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

::::Hey, I just did an EDIT on an article and it asked me to fill out a box ... is this going to be the standard practise from now on for editing as it will grow tedious I think for regulars? [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 01:37, June 4, 2009 (UTC)
:::Whoops, I'll fix this. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 01:43, June 4, 2009 (UTC)
:::I missed the setting that said "Require captcha when user edits page and adds a link" - let me know if it happens again! — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

::::Sure, also while I have you and you are in a good mood :D I would like to ask for a favour (as far as practical) my heart is to complete the most comprehensive Table of Saints (in Chronological order) - as you can witness by this new article. At present, I am systematically and patiently working through the information ON OrthodoxWiki ... how can I identify saints I have missed NOT listed on OrthodoxWiki. Do you have any suggestions? [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 01:53, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

:::Wow! Sounds like a big job. I guess you'd have to check the websites of the various Orthodox jurisdictions around the world, or get your hands on a really good synaxarion (I like the one published by at Ormylia) and refer to its index. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 01:56, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

== Glitch ==

See [[Talk:Alban|this]]. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 01:59, July 8, 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks, message left. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 05:38, July 8, 2009 (UTC)

== Sysop. ==

Hello Fr. John.
I am a Greek Orthodox user. I was wonderign if you can add me as a sysop to help you out with the site. I have a lot of time on my hands.

In his service,
--[[User:Greeks|Greeks]] 15:23, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

==Hello!==
Hi sir! I would like to create a project OrthodoxWiki dutch language and I have rights bureaucrat, administrator, renameuser, Checkuser and oversight, thanks. —[[User:Mr. man|Mister]] [[User talk:Mr. man|'''lasă-mi un mesaj''']] 17:23, February 20, 2010 (UTC)ﻧ

:You are active or no? For 2 months you no response me. --—[[User:Mr. man|Mister]] [[User talk:Mr. man|'''lasă-mi un mesaj''']] 15:15, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Many Orthodox believers have asked about the Icon of Christ and the Ancient of Days and confusing this elder sitting next to Christ with God the Father.
They are not alone, for the entire Roman Catholic Church believes that this is the case and their belief has by the process of osmosis been picked up by many of our clergy and this icon has been ejected from many of our Churches. It is not true for the Ancient of Days is the Son of God who was begotten before all time. If they recall, Christ in the incarnation had divested Himself of those signs of being God and had assumed the appearance of a mere servant. The icon of the Platytera teaches us that the Holy Virgin's womb contained the "uncontainable, therefore those aspects of God the Son of God remained in the mystery of Heaven. Read on with what I have written:

QUESTION:

v Do you recall ever having seen this icon of Jesus Christ holding his cross, sitting at the right of an elderly man with white hair?
at their feet there are cherubic figures, and about them there are clouds. They both have a nimbus above their head and above them
there is a white dove, sometimes within a circle or a triangle.
v Is there anything incorrect about it ?
v Why is it not found in today’s churches ?
v What is its origin ?

For those of us who are old enough, this icon is familiar. We had seen it in most of the Greek Orthodox Churches when we were children. It was located on the iconostasion on the right side of the royal entrance, the spot currently occupied by the icon of Christ. I do remember it in St. Sophia Cathedral (until the 1960’s) and in the Holy Trinity Church in Waterbury, Connecticut (in the 1920’-30’s). St. Sophia’s oldest icons were contributed to a more recently established parish in Virginia and this icon was still in use there as of seven years ago.

What is wrong with it? It has a perfectly good representation of Christ. He is seated at the right hand of an elderly man who is giving a blessing and they are both apparently seated in majesty in heaven. There are little, western style cherubs at their feet. The elderly man supposedly represents God the Father. Instead of a halo, His head is usually surrounded by a triangle which, I presume, represents the Holy Trinity. I have heard of Him in this representation being named the “Ancient of Days.” What is wrong with all this is that God the Father is purely spirit and cannot be portrayed in any manner. Christ said in the New Testament, “When you see Me, you see my Father.” This is the reason why this icon has been supplanted by one of Christ alone, for when we see Christ in an icon, we see the Father.

How did we come to portray God the Father in this manner? I could not discover the answer in any book on iconography or theology available to me. It was not until I came across a passage in the Septuagint Scriptures that I found the answer in the Book of Daniel chapter VII, verses 9 - 10 and 13 - 14.

[9] I beheld until the thrones were set, and the Ancient of days sat; and his raiment was white as snow, and the hair of his head as pure wool: his throne was a flame of fire, and his wheels burning fire. [10] A stream of fire rushed forth before him: thousand thousands ministered to him, and ten thousands of myriads attended upon him: the judgment sat, and the books were opened.
[13] I beheld in the night vision, and, lo, one coming with the clouds of heaven as the Son of Man, and he came on to the Ancient of Days, and was brought near to him. [14] And to him was given the dominion, and the honour,and the kingdom; and all the nations, tribes, and languages, shall serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom shall not be destroyed.

This vision and prophesy of Daniel has been identified, in both Latin Catholic and Protestant sources as a prefiguration of God the Father and the powers and glory which He has bestowed upon God the Son, Jesus Christ - the Son of Man. This passage may have been the source of the artistic rendering of God the Father as the “Ancient of Days.” Whether this conception was original with our iconographers or was influenced by the realistic presentations of western artists is not known. Indeed we have a prime example of this in Michaelangelo’s painting of God in the Sistine Chapel and the western style cherubs at their feet. His portraiture is that of an old man with white hair and a white beard, reaching out with his finger to endow Adam with life. None of these features are found in Orthodox iconography and their being in this icon suggests the influence of western imaging since large portions of Greece had been occupied for several centuries by Venetian, Catalan and other Latins.

Regardless of its origins, this icon is considered erroneous today.

Providence has a way of providing us with truths to heal our ignorance. I believe that I have discovered the significance of this icon while reading A Discourse On the Nativity of Christ by St. Gregory Thaumatourgos, Bishop of Neo-Caesarea (died 260) . He wrote:

“The new wonders do strike me with awe. The Ancient of Days is become a Child, to make people children of God. Sitting in glory in the Heavens, because of His love for mankind, He now layeth in a manger of dumb beasts.”

Do the words of Gregory’s statement imply that this icon could represent a “double image” of Christ? First as the “Ancient of Days”, the only-begotten Son of God, born before all ages. Adjacent to Him is the younger Incarnate Jesus Christ, Son of Man(-kind) as He appeared to us on earth in His kenotic form (i.e. when He “emptied Himself” and “became as a base servant”). Gone would be the mistaken identification of the Ancient of Days as God the Father, which is the mainstay of western explanations. Such an interpretation of this icon sheds a completely new light upon it, a light which may render it theologically legitimate. Even so St. Gregory goes on to say: “The Impassionate, Incorporeal, Incomprehensible One is taken by human hands, in order to atone the violence of sinners.” If the Ancient of Days has these chacteristics, is it permissible to portray him in an icon? Does the fact that He becomes incarnate as Jesus Christ repeal the prohibition of showing Him as an aged man?
However, St. Gregory’s words have allowed me to learn the true meaning of this prophesy from the Book of Daniel. It is a prophesy of the Parousia, the Second Coming of Christ, when the “books will be opened” and the “secrets of men will be revealed.” I am thankful to have gained this knowledge so that I can look upon this icon with greater appreciation. Later yet, I discovered that there is an icon in St. Katherine’s Monastery at Sinai which depicts the Ancient of Days, and on his lap rests Jesus as a child. This icon is said to confirm the concept voiced by St. Gregory that The Ancient of Days is the heavenly manifestation of the Son of God.

The Ancient of Days with a child Jesus Christ on His Lap, 12th century
At St. Katherine’s Monastery Church, Mt. Sinai
(You can find this icon on the internet)

== Psalter quote ==

Father John,
Bless!
My name is Manoli and I'm an 18 year old recent high school graduate. I am distantly acquainted with Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick and I'm writing an essay for the PanHellenic Foundation, trying to get a scholarship for college. I want to use the "golden thread" quote from "one modern commentator" on the OrthodoxWiki "Psalter" page. If you know who that person is, or who would know who that person is, I'd appreciate any info...Fr. Andrew doesn't and although I'm registered on OrthodoxWiki as CampNazFanatic, I don't know much about using the site so I decided to contact you. Please respond asap as this essay is due like tomorrow.
Thanks,
Manoli
--CampNazFanatic[[CampNazFanatic]]

==IMAGES ISSUES==
Warm greetings Fr. John,

I hope it is okay that I am contacting you directly, but this problem has not been resolved for some time. Could you kindly look into rectifying the long-standing problem with uploaded images not displaying - they do not display once they are uploaded and they do not display especially as thumbnails.

See here: the [http://commons.orthodoxwiki.org/Special:Newimages Gallery of New Image Files];

I had left a note at the OrthodoxWiki Trapeza [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza#Thumbnails_Error|here]] regarding this error some time ago, but it has gone unanswered and the problem is not resolved.

Surely there must be a process to have this investigated? -- i.e. Where is the OW site hosted? Which person(s)/webmasters or what entity is in charge of maintenance? Who needs to be called? Who is in control? And WHERE is their accountability???? Why have they ignored this for so long? Was this change done intentionally for some reason and if so why is there no notice informing the users? This problem has persisted for a very long time now, and it appears that it is a feature that has been disabled. If it stays non-functional this way I fear that this will discourage further users from wanting to contribute to OW. If there is something I have overlooked apologies in advance. Hoping something can be done. Thanks and kind regards :) [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 05:49, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

::Hi Angellight -- I apologize for the frustration. Sadly, it is I -- the negligent webmaster. and the volunteer in charge of site maintenance (but with many distractions). Please be assured that there is nothing intentional in the problem - the site just needs an upgrade. Because of the way the databases are tied together for each localization, it gets a little complex. I will strive to find some time to fix this soon. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 07:28, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

:::Many thanks for the info dear Fr.; good to know the site will be eventually upgraded and that this will be addressed then. Please forgive my initial frustration. This is a wonderful resource and I hope to see it grow. Cheers, [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 18:55, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

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:Fr. John, this may be part of the same problem, if one tries to add a image and re-size it they get an error:
Error creating thumbnail: Warning: passthru() has been disabled for security reasons in
/home/owiki/public_html/shared/includes /GlobalFunctions.php on line 1839 
:(just an FYI) - [[User:Andrew|Andy]] 16:41, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

::I apologize for the delay in getting this resolved. Thumbnails should now be working again! — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

== Suppression ==

Unfortunately, after going through some articles and dead links, it seems that the Oriental Orthodox Church is suppressed on this OrthodoxWiki. it is a shame becuase this wiki is what should unite us together in Christ, not divide us and furthurmore insult our brothers and sisters. No one would dare do that to Christ. Eastern Orthodoxy and Oreintal Orthodoxy are probably the closest, most Orthodox, unchanging groups of Churches. I pray that one day we will once again be reunited as one in His Church.

God Bless

:: Hello [[Cmd|User:Cmd]] - It is certainly not my heart to suppress Oriental Orthodoxy in any way. In fact, just about 30 minutes ago I was speaking about my respect for Oriental Orthodox Christians, and talking about how the Christological differences have been largely resolved. This is a joy to me. Please see [[OrthodoxWiki:Style_Manual_%28Point_of_View%29]] for the stated policy of this site. If you can point to specific examples of suppression, that would be helpful. In Christ, — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 23:32, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

== About the 3 photos at the text ''Monastery of St Patapios (Loutraki, Greece)'' ==

Dear Father John. I have added 3 photos at the text ''Monastery of St Patapios (Loutraki, Greece)'', but they do not appear in the article, however they appear when I ''clic'' on them. Could you please help me make them appear at the article. Is it a problem from your server? Please help me and you will have the bless of Saint Pastapios. [[User:688dim|688dim]] 22:15, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

::Dear 688dim, Thanks for the bug report. This should now be fixed. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
:::Thanks, Fr. John for catching the "bug". I missed the pictures![[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 22:56, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

== Italian Version ==

::: Dear Father, I thought to start Italian version. How can I do that?
me and my boyfriend !! We've a lot of articol en Italian about orthodoxia.

Thanks. [[User:Raggiodisole|Raggiodisole]] 15:30, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Hi Raggiodisole, I would be very happy to see an Italian version. The place to start is [[OrthodoxWiki:Localization]] -- would you be up for this translation work? — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 04:48, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

:: Dear Father, ok, I gladly accept.
Then, if I may, I would like to post new articles in Italian orthodoxy
Technically, I would like you opened your site because I have these technical skills, so I will translate the pages essential for the initiation site and part Italian and enrich it later.
How do I send you the translation? the insert here?
Thank you for your trust, we are now going to translate the page you showed me.
I greet you and thank you Father. [[User:Raggiodisole|Raggiodisole]] 13:12, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

:: Father this is the translation you asked me:

OrthodoxWiki: Localizzazione

Questa pagina fornisce i principi di politica ufficiale sull’enciclopedia OrthodoxWiki. Questa pagina è stata redatta consensualmente degli editori ed è considerata uno standard che tutti gli utenti devono seguire. Se si parte dell'amministrazione, non esitate ad aggiornare questa pagina, se necessario, ma occorre fare in modo che le modifiche apportate a questa politica
le voci che vi appaiano devono rispecchiare fedelmente il punto di vista ortodosso e si candidano quindi ad essere un punto di riferimento, una riflessione, per chi vuol conoscere la Chiesa Ortodossa.

Localizzazione e le relazioni inter-wiki (PROGETTO IN PROGRESS)

I commenti sono accolti

Indice [nascondi]
1 Definizioni
2 Contributori
2,1 Amministrazione
2,2 Responsabilità dei contributori
2,3 Loghi e Identità
2,4 Hosting e domini
2,5 Problemi di copyright
3 Colleghi
4 Appedix A: documenti fondamentali OrthodoxWiki
5 Appendice B: Localizzazioni Attivo
6 Appendice C: Localizzazioni in fase di progettazione
7 Appendice D: Risorse

Definizione : Cos’è OrthodoxWiki [Modifica]
La localizzazione si riferisce al processo di porting del progetto OrthodoxWiki in lingue diverse dall'inglese (la lingua originale).

Si riconoscono due accordi separati. 1. Affiliati, e 2. Colleghi.

Contributori ( Affiliato)

Un rapporto "affiliato" si ha quando un gruppo canonicamente ortodosso di persone che condividono la visione OrthodoxWiki, e il desiderio di estendere il progetto OrthodoxWiki's in altre lingue. Siamo molto felici quando per avere altri wiki-based ortodossi formalmente si aderisce all’OrthodoxWiki come affiliati pieni.

Amministrazione [Modifica]

Un rapporto di affiliazione inizia quando i volontari una o più persone dedicano sforzi sostanziali per creare e mantenere una OrthodoxWiki localizzata in una lingua che non dispone già di uno. Tutti i contatti dovrebbe passare attraverso Fr. John.

Se approvata, una o più persone del gruppo affiliato sarà data sysop di stato e sarà aggiunto alla mailing list sysop OrthodoxWiki.

Responsabilità di Contribuzione (Affiliazione) [Modifica]

E 'la responsabilità della filiale/i di mantenere e gestire attivamente il sito OrthodoxWiki localizzato in conformità con le linee guida principali OrthodoxWiki, in particolare la sua politica sul copyright (per motivi legali) e OrthodoxWiki principio di neutralità. Saranno anche responsabile della traduzione di testi fondamentali OrthodoxWiki dall'inglese in altre lingue.

All'interno di questi parametri, agli operatori locali viene dato un grande margine di manovra per quanto riguarda come è strutturato il loro wiki, stabilendo le priorità per quale tipo di materiale di importazione e di esportazione dalla lingua inglese OrthodoxWiki, e così via.

Se non riescono a soddisfare queste responsabilità, stato di affiliazione può essere revocata, e la loro sottodominio di hosting e annullato. Questo tipo di misura sarà usata, tuttavia, con parsimonia solo nei casi più gravi.

Loghi e identità [Modifica]

Gli OrthodoxWiki affiliati sono autorizzati e tenuti ad adottare il logo ufficiale OrthodoxWiki, anche se possono tradurre in altre lingue, se a loro piace. Allo stesso modo, si dovrebbero utilizzare la favicon OrthodoxWiki e il plugin di ricerca icona, permettono essi possono adattare queste come vogliono (per esempio, la modifica a un diverso colore per differenziare tra le versioni di OrthodoxWiki nella casella di ricerca o per i segnalibri).

Link a tutti gli OrthodoxWikis localizzate dovrebbero essere ben descritto sulla home page di ogni discreto / sito localizzato OrthodoxWiki.

I contributori (Affialiates) possono utilizzare uno dei linkbuttons OrthodoxWiki, tradotto o meno, o può creare il proprio.

Hosting e domini

Vi forniremo un sottodominio localizzato (come ru.orthodoxwiki.org, gr.orthodoxwiki.org, bu.orthodoxwiki.org, ecc.) Questo può essere indicato un altro indirizzo IP che sarà ospitata a livello locale, oppure possiamo fornire uno spazio sul server che ospita OrthodoxWiki (un server appartenente alla ortodossa Internet Services). In alcuni casi, un nome di dominio più appropriato per la lingua in questione può anche essere sistemato sul sottodominio.

Hosting e gestione tecnica del software MediaWiki può essere fornito gratuitamente da OrthodoxWiki, in associazione con gli ortodossi Internet Services. Tuttavia, è anche possibile per gli affiliati ospitare e gestire la propria installazione MediaWiki

Problemi di copyright

Per motivi pratici, è importante che OrthodoxWikis localizzato mantenga lo stesso copyright / accordo di licenza, come la lingua inglese OrthodoxWiki.

Dato che il wiki è localizzato nel progetto OrthodoxWiki, riteniamo che tutte le immagini e gli articoli per i quali OrthodoxWiki ha ottenuto un permesso speciale da utilizzare potrebbe essere utilizzato anche su OrthodoxWikis localizzato utilizzando lo stesso nome di dominio.

I colleghi
[Modifica]
Un rapporto "collega" è particolarmente appropriato in cui l'attenzione di un altro wiki (ad esempio, la loro interpretazione del NPOV e "mainstream Chalcedonian bias ortodossi") è diverso da OrthodoxWiki's. Ci aspettiamo che questo sarebbe il caso, ad esempio, se un vecchio gruppo Calendarist greco voluto creare il proprio wiki, o per copto / non-Calcedoniani o romana (o altro) wiki cattolica, o se un altro gruppo di ortodossi orientali ha voluto avviare una wiki con una particolare attenzione sostanzialmente diverso o missione. In alcuni casi, si possono riconoscere altri Wiki come "colleghi", anche se non si definiscono cristiani.

Il "collega" parola presuppone che noi abbiamo un senso della missione comune o di complementarietà, e siamo felici di lavorare insieme e sostenere ogni lavoro altrui.

In questo caso, non si può condividere un comune branding - nomi di dominio, i loghi, linkbuttons, ecc sarebbero tutti distinti. Allo stesso modo, speciali autorizzazioni per l’ immagine e l'articolo sarebbe gestiti separatamente.

I colleghi riceveranno un riconoscimento pubblico, i link sul wiki, così come il permesso esplicito di utilizzare qualsiasi materiale appropriato OrthodoxWiki (a patto che si inserisce il loro sistema di licenze) e di ogni altra assistenza o incoraggiamento siamo in grado di fornire.

Collega status può essere revocato in qualsiasi momento, soprattutto se la missione della vira altri wiki di là di un generale "NPOV" o presa di posizione "descrittivo" e formalmente adotta una forte polemica contro un altro gruppo in modo tale che non sono utili non avendo alcun rapporto formale con loro.

Appedix A: documenti fondamentali OrthodoxWiki

Si tratta di un elenco di documenti essenziali OrthodoxWiki che deve essere tradotto (in forma abbreviata, se necessario) e mantenuta coerente in localizzazioni. Il testo in lingua inglese rimane il testo "canonico".

Pagine principali sono:

OrthodoxWiki: A proposito - abbiamo bisogno di lavorare su una revisione di questo anche in inglese!
Almeno queste pagine politica OrthodoxWiki:
OrthodoxWiki: Copyrights
OrthodoxWiki: General disclaimer
OrthodoxWiki: Informazioni sulla privacy
OrthodoxWiki: Manuale di stile
Help: titoli di immagine
Core modelli includono:

Il più generico Modelli generali, in particolare:
Template: Benvenuto
Template: Stub
Template: Pulitura
Template: disambig
Tutti i modelli Copyright richieste per il materiale utilizzato sul sito affiliato, in particolare:
Template: Copyright
Template: non verificato
Template: Fairuse
Template: OWiki
Template: Skete.com
Template: Oca
Template: Htm
Template: Pd

Altre pagine che arricchiscono il funzionamento del wiki, ma non sono strettamente necessarie, o può essere più liberamente adattato per l'uso locale, sono:

OrthodoxWiki: News
OrthodoxWiki: Buzz
Le pagine di aiuto e le pagine nel namespace OrthodoxWiki.
Altre pagine template - vedi OrthodoxWiki: Modelli per un elenco completo

Appendice B: Localizzazioni Attivo

Bulgaro OrthodoxWiki (http://bg.orthodoxwiki.org) – Riferimento per un contatto: Costantino per aiutare o per ulteriori informazioni.
(Questo sito è considerato pienamente avviato e maturo.)
Rumeno di lingua OrthodoxWiki (http://ro.orthodoxwiki.org) –
Contatti Utente: Inistea per aiutare o per ulteriori informazioni.
(Questo sito è considerato pienamente avviato e maturo.)
Per una discussione in lingua araba OrthodoxWiki (fase Alpha: http://ar.orthodoxwiki.org), andare al OrthodoxWiki: Localizzazione / arabo. Vedi anche qui.
In lingua russa OrthodoxWiki (fase Alpha: http://ru.orthodoxwiki.org) - Vai alla OrthodoxWiki: Localizzazione / Russo.
Di lingua greca OrthodoxWiki - EL: Αρχική_σελίδα

Appendice C: Localizzazioni in fase di progettazione [Modifica]

Di lingua neerlandese OrthodoxWiki (nl.orthodoxwiki.org) –
Contatti Utente: Stephan per aiutare o per ulteriori informazioni.
Castigliano e portoghese –
Contatti Utente: Theofilactos (vedi anche qui).
Spagnolo: User: Alstradiaan.

Appendice D: Risorse [Modifica]

meta: MediaWiki_localisation
meta: Help: Esportazione e meta: Help: Import
meta: Recent_changes_extension - se si volesse unire elenchi delle ultime modifiche
meta: Meta: Babel_templates - mostra competenze linguistiche dell'utente
meta: transwiki
Estratto da "http://orthodoxwiki.org/OrthodoxWiki:Localization"

I send this translation in another place?
Thanks

User talk:FrJohn

2011-02-22T19:42:40Z

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==August 17 Menaion==

Should we call our father among the saints Theodoretus the enlightener of the Sami, as opposed to the enlightener of the Lapps. Lapp is considered something of an ethnic slur; much like calling the Inuit by the name Eskimo. On the other hand, should we wait until the Menaion itself is changed to reflect the better name for the people of northern Scandinavia. [[User:Eddieuny|Eddieuny]] 03:22, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

:Hi Eddieuny, Thanks for your question. My take is that, since he is in the menaion as "Enlightener of the Lapps" we should do this, but with a footnote explaining what you just said -- it would be good to make people aware of this. Thanks! — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 04:30, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

==Ukrainian version==

Dear Father, I thought to start Ukrainian version. How can I do that? I work with articles related to Orthodoxy on Ukrainian wikipedia.

--[[User:Roman Z|Roman Z]] 21:38, March 12, 2009 (UTC)

==Orthodox Source==
Hi father john, it is with much sadness and hurt that I see you close down Orthodox Source. Mainly because I invested a huge amount of time to put information onto that site that took a lot of my time and I dont have access to any more. I am a bit saddened because you didnt even give me some notice that you were going to close the site down so that I could at least download some of the information onto my personal computer that I can access in the future ... a bit disappointed that this was not considered and an opportunity given to do this. It only proves that the Internet is not a very viable Christian tool. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 05:50, November 27, 2008 (UTC)

== Fact check ==

Dear Father,
I am trying to recall the name of the cemetery chapel at Saint Anna's Skete on the Holy Mountain. I wondered if you or any of your readers/discussants might help me.

Thanks,
Isaak Scott Cairns

:One source tells me it's "Holy Cross" — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 20:54, March 16, 2009 (UTC)

== Hymns of Contrition ==

Father John, I bought a CD last night that in Greek is called "Kataniktika of Great lent". So, I set about doing a google today to find out just what are these hymns (although I understand the words). Many articles come up but they are primarily from the Catholic church and are seven Psalms ... these do not seem to be the format of the kataniktiko service. Can you help me. What are the Kataniktika of Great Lent? I want to post an article onto OrthodoxWiki for others to reference too.!! Thanks in advance. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 22:54, March 16, 2009 (UTC)

:O man, these Greek terms -- best ask a Byzantine-style cantor, I think. Anyone around here? — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

::Триоди в Воскресенья - the CD translates the "Kataniktika" as the "Hymns of Contrition". However, if you do a google on that term it comes up with the Catholic version of Hymns of Contrition - which are not the same! Oi! What is wrong with the Greek terms? The church lasted 2,000 years because of the beauty in the Greek language :-) Do you want us to convert everything to Russian so you can understand? LOL ANYWAY! You are a priest - you should know what these are! ROFL [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 23:07, March 16, 2009 (UTC)

::: The ''Katanyktikoi Hymnoi'' (it helps to use standard Latinization for Greek!) may be called the "Hymns of Contrition" or "Penitential Hymns," and the term refers to a wide set of pieces of hymnography used throughout the period of the Triodion, most especially in the stichera of Lenten Vespers (most often referenced in Sunday night Vespers).

::: They are not the same thing as the "Penitential Psalms." —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 23:53, March 16, 2009 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! What I did was cut and paste what you just said and inserted it into an article. Hopefully we can develop it a little ... there is not much available on the Internet for this. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 00:34, March 17, 2009 (UTC)

== ΒΟΗΘΕΙΑ ==

ΧΡΕΙΑΖΟΜΑΙ ΣΤΟΙΧΕΙΑ ΓΙΑ ΜΙΑ ΠΑΛΙΑ ΑΙΡΕΣΗ, ΛΕΓΕΤΑΙ ΑΦΘΑΡΤΟΔΟΚΗΤΙΣΜΟΣ ΚΑΙ ΙΔΡΥΤΗΣ ΤΗΣ ΗΤΑΝ Ο ΕΠΙΣΚΟΠΟΣ ΑΛΙΚΑΡΝΑΣΣΟΥ ΙΟΥΛΙΑΝΟΣ

:Ελληνικά, παρακαλώ. Δεν μιλούν ελληνικά. Σε ευχαριστώ. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

==User Creation - Proposal==
Greetings Fr. John,
With the amount of Vandalism we have, I propose that anyone requesting a new account first has to submit a request online, with some brief info about temselves, and THEN THE REQUEST WILL REQUIRE APPROVAL by yourself or Fr. Andrew or other Sysops. '''The ability for anyone to automatically create accounts will be disabled''', unless they are sincere and simply request a free account which they can then of course have; I think that the Conservapedia and some other wikis might have this system in place. Anyhow, just an idea I wanted to pass along :)

By the way, regarding the note immediately above this one (in greek), it reads something like this: ''"I require information on an ancient heresy, called "Aftharto-Docetism"?, and its proponent was the Bishop of Halicarnassos Julianos."'' I see that it was an unsigned comment however.

Cheers, [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 00:10, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

:Hi Angellight, given the number of users we have, this sounds like an awful lot of work. I'd rather just clean up occasionally as needed, but let me keep my eyes open for another solution. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 00:17, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

::other forums require that you Verify your "humanity" by typing into a box the combination of numbers/letters you can see on the screen to verify that you are indeed "real" and not a bot. maybe that is all you need. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 00:51, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

::::Yep, was just posting that I've just installed a captcha test for new user registrations. It won't block disturbed individuals, but should help with the automated creation of accounts from multiple un-blacklisted IPs where email verification can be performed. Amazing we have to deal with that, eh? — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 00:55, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, you have to wonder why they havent got better things to do than hurl abuse at people who are minding their own business ... I learnt something yesterday. A priest called Fr Demetrius wrote an email about praying for the deceased soul of a "george" who was a pro-abortionist in America. When you read with what tenderness and love Fr Demetrius writes about this "sinner" you realise how much we just pity these people - for they know not what they do. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 01:04, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

:::The only effect really is to drain a little bit of my time away :-(. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

::::Hey, I just did an EDIT on an article and it asked me to fill out a box ... is this going to be the standard practise from now on for editing as it will grow tedious I think for regulars? [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 01:37, June 4, 2009 (UTC)
:::Whoops, I'll fix this. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 01:43, June 4, 2009 (UTC)
:::I missed the setting that said "Require captcha when user edits page and adds a link" - let me know if it happens again! — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

::::Sure, also while I have you and you are in a good mood :D I would like to ask for a favour (as far as practical) my heart is to complete the most comprehensive Table of Saints (in Chronological order) - as you can witness by this new article. At present, I am systematically and patiently working through the information ON OrthodoxWiki ... how can I identify saints I have missed NOT listed on OrthodoxWiki. Do you have any suggestions? [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 01:53, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

:::Wow! Sounds like a big job. I guess you'd have to check the websites of the various Orthodox jurisdictions around the world, or get your hands on a really good synaxarion (I like the one published by at Ormylia) and refer to its index. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 01:56, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

== Glitch ==

See [[Talk:Alban|this]]. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 01:59, July 8, 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks, message left. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 05:38, July 8, 2009 (UTC)

== Sysop. ==

Hello Fr. John.
I am a Greek Orthodox user. I was wonderign if you can add me as a sysop to help you out with the site. I have a lot of time on my hands.

In his service,
--[[User:Greeks|Greeks]] 15:23, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

==Hello!==
Hi sir! I would like to create a project OrthodoxWiki dutch language and I have rights bureaucrat, administrator, renameuser, Checkuser and oversight, thanks. —[[User:Mr. man|Mister]] [[User talk:Mr. man|'''lasă-mi un mesaj''']] 17:23, February 20, 2010 (UTC)ﻧ

:You are active or no? For 2 months you no response me. --—[[User:Mr. man|Mister]] [[User talk:Mr. man|'''lasă-mi un mesaj''']] 15:15, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Many Orthodox believers have asked about the Icon of Christ and the Ancient of Days and confusing this elder sitting next to Christ with God the Father.
They are not alone, for the entire Roman Catholic Church believes that this is the case and their belief has by the process of osmosis been picked up by many of our clergy and this icon has been ejected from many of our Churches. It is not true for the Ancient of Days is the Son of God who was begotten before all time. If they recall, Christ in the incarnation had divested Himself of those signs of being God and had assumed the appearance of a mere servant. The icon of the Platytera teaches us that the Holy Virgin's womb contained the "uncontainable, therefore those aspects of God the Son of God remained in the mystery of Heaven. Read on with what I have written:

QUESTION:

v Do you recall ever having seen this icon of Jesus Christ holding his cross, sitting at the right of an elderly man with white hair?
at their feet there are cherubic figures, and about them there are clouds. They both have a nimbus above their head and above them
there is a white dove, sometimes within a circle or a triangle.
v Is there anything incorrect about it ?
v Why is it not found in today’s churches ?
v What is its origin ?

For those of us who are old enough, this icon is familiar. We had seen it in most of the Greek Orthodox Churches when we were children. It was located on the iconostasion on the right side of the royal entrance, the spot currently occupied by the icon of Christ. I do remember it in St. Sophia Cathedral (until the 1960’s) and in the Holy Trinity Church in Waterbury, Connecticut (in the 1920’-30’s). St. Sophia’s oldest icons were contributed to a more recently established parish in Virginia and this icon was still in use there as of seven years ago.

What is wrong with it? It has a perfectly good representation of Christ. He is seated at the right hand of an elderly man who is giving a blessing and they are both apparently seated in majesty in heaven. There are little, western style cherubs at their feet. The elderly man supposedly represents God the Father. Instead of a halo, His head is usually surrounded by a triangle which, I presume, represents the Holy Trinity. I have heard of Him in this representation being named the “Ancient of Days.” What is wrong with all this is that God the Father is purely spirit and cannot be portrayed in any manner. Christ said in the New Testament, “When you see Me, you see my Father.” This is the reason why this icon has been supplanted by one of Christ alone, for when we see Christ in an icon, we see the Father.

How did we come to portray God the Father in this manner? I could not discover the answer in any book on iconography or theology available to me. It was not until I came across a passage in the Septuagint Scriptures that I found the answer in the Book of Daniel chapter VII, verses 9 - 10 and 13 - 14.

[9] I beheld until the thrones were set, and the Ancient of days sat; and his raiment was white as snow, and the hair of his head as pure wool: his throne was a flame of fire, and his wheels burning fire. [10] A stream of fire rushed forth before him: thousand thousands ministered to him, and ten thousands of myriads attended upon him: the judgment sat, and the books were opened.
[13] I beheld in the night vision, and, lo, one coming with the clouds of heaven as the Son of Man, and he came on to the Ancient of Days, and was brought near to him. [14] And to him was given the dominion, and the honour,and the kingdom; and all the nations, tribes, and languages, shall serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom shall not be destroyed.

This vision and prophesy of Daniel has been identified, in both Latin Catholic and Protestant sources as a prefiguration of God the Father and the powers and glory which He has bestowed upon God the Son, Jesus Christ - the Son of Man. This passage may have been the source of the artistic rendering of God the Father as the “Ancient of Days.” Whether this conception was original with our iconographers or was influenced by the realistic presentations of western artists is not known. Indeed we have a prime example of this in Michaelangelo’s painting of God in the Sistine Chapel and the western style cherubs at their feet. His portraiture is that of an old man with white hair and a white beard, reaching out with his finger to endow Adam with life. None of these features are found in Orthodox iconography and their being in this icon suggests the influence of western imaging since large portions of Greece had been occupied for several centuries by Venetian, Catalan and other Latins.

Regardless of its origins, this icon is considered erroneous today.

Providence has a way of providing us with truths to heal our ignorance. I believe that I have discovered the significance of this icon while reading A Discourse On the Nativity of Christ by St. Gregory Thaumatourgos, Bishop of Neo-Caesarea (died 260) . He wrote:

“The new wonders do strike me with awe. The Ancient of Days is become a Child, to make people children of God. Sitting in glory in the Heavens, because of His love for mankind, He now layeth in a manger of dumb beasts.”

Do the words of Gregory’s statement imply that this icon could represent a “double image” of Christ? First as the “Ancient of Days”, the only-begotten Son of God, born before all ages. Adjacent to Him is the younger Incarnate Jesus Christ, Son of Man(-kind) as He appeared to us on earth in His kenotic form (i.e. when He “emptied Himself” and “became as a base servant”). Gone would be the mistaken identification of the Ancient of Days as God the Father, which is the mainstay of western explanations. Such an interpretation of this icon sheds a completely new light upon it, a light which may render it theologically legitimate. Even so St. Gregory goes on to say: “The Impassionate, Incorporeal, Incomprehensible One is taken by human hands, in order to atone the violence of sinners.” If the Ancient of Days has these chacteristics, is it permissible to portray him in an icon? Does the fact that He becomes incarnate as Jesus Christ repeal the prohibition of showing Him as an aged man?
However, St. Gregory’s words have allowed me to learn the true meaning of this prophesy from the Book of Daniel. It is a prophesy of the Parousia, the Second Coming of Christ, when the “books will be opened” and the “secrets of men will be revealed.” I am thankful to have gained this knowledge so that I can look upon this icon with greater appreciation. Later yet, I discovered that there is an icon in St. Katherine’s Monastery at Sinai which depicts the Ancient of Days, and on his lap rests Jesus as a child. This icon is said to confirm the concept voiced by St. Gregory that The Ancient of Days is the heavenly manifestation of the Son of God.

The Ancient of Days with a child Jesus Christ on His Lap, 12th century
At St. Katherine’s Monastery Church, Mt. Sinai
(You can find this icon on the internet)

== Psalter quote ==

Father John,
Bless!
My name is Manoli and I'm an 18 year old recent high school graduate. I am distantly acquainted with Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick and I'm writing an essay for the PanHellenic Foundation, trying to get a scholarship for college. I want to use the "golden thread" quote from "one modern commentator" on the OrthodoxWiki "Psalter" page. If you know who that person is, or who would know who that person is, I'd appreciate any info...Fr. Andrew doesn't and although I'm registered on OrthodoxWiki as CampNazFanatic, I don't know much about using the site so I decided to contact you. Please respond asap as this essay is due like tomorrow.
Thanks,
Manoli
--CampNazFanatic[[CampNazFanatic]]

==IMAGES ISSUES==
Warm greetings Fr. John,

I hope it is okay that I am contacting you directly, but this problem has not been resolved for some time. Could you kindly look into rectifying the long-standing problem with uploaded images not displaying - they do not display once they are uploaded and they do not display especially as thumbnails.

See here: the [http://commons.orthodoxwiki.org/Special:Newimages Gallery of New Image Files];

I had left a note at the OrthodoxWiki Trapeza [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza#Thumbnails_Error|here]] regarding this error some time ago, but it has gone unanswered and the problem is not resolved.

Surely there must be a process to have this investigated? -- i.e. Where is the OW site hosted? Which person(s)/webmasters or what entity is in charge of maintenance? Who needs to be called? Who is in control? And WHERE is their accountability???? Why have they ignored this for so long? Was this change done intentionally for some reason and if so why is there no notice informing the users? This problem has persisted for a very long time now, and it appears that it is a feature that has been disabled. If it stays non-functional this way I fear that this will discourage further users from wanting to contribute to OW. If there is something I have overlooked apologies in advance. Hoping something can be done. Thanks and kind regards :) [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 05:49, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

::Hi Angellight -- I apologize for the frustration. Sadly, it is I -- the negligent webmaster. and the volunteer in charge of site maintenance (but with many distractions). Please be assured that there is nothing intentional in the problem - the site just needs an upgrade. Because of the way the databases are tied together for each localization, it gets a little complex. I will strive to find some time to fix this soon. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 07:28, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

:::Many thanks for the info dear Fr.; good to know the site will be eventually upgraded and that this will be addressed then. Please forgive my initial frustration. This is a wonderful resource and I hope to see it grow. Cheers, [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 18:55, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

----

:Fr. John, this may be part of the same problem, if one tries to add a image and re-size it they get an error:
Error creating thumbnail: Warning: passthru() has been disabled for security reasons in
/home/owiki/public_html/shared/includes /GlobalFunctions.php on line 1839 
:(just an FYI) - [[User:Andrew|Andy]] 16:41, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

::I apologize for the delay in getting this resolved. Thumbnails should now be working again! — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

== Suppression ==

Unfortunately, after going through some articles and dead links, it seems that the Oriental Orthodox Church is suppressed on this OrthodoxWiki. it is a shame becuase this wiki is what should unite us together in Christ, not divide us and furthurmore insult our brothers and sisters. No one would dare do that to Christ. Eastern Orthodoxy and Oreintal Orthodoxy are probably the closest, most Orthodox, unchanging groups of Churches. I pray that one day we will once again be reunited as one in His Church.

God Bless

:: Hello [[Cmd|User:Cmd]] - It is certainly not my heart to suppress Oriental Orthodoxy in any way. In fact, just about 30 minutes ago I was speaking about my respect for Oriental Orthodox Christians, and talking about how the Christological differences have been largely resolved. This is a joy to me. Please see [[OrthodoxWiki:Style_Manual_%28Point_of_View%29]] for the stated policy of this site. If you can point to specific examples of suppression, that would be helpful. In Christ, — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 23:32, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

== About the 3 photos at the text ''Monastery of St Patapios (Loutraki, Greece)'' ==

Dear Father John. I have added 3 photos at the text ''Monastery of St Patapios (Loutraki, Greece)'', but they do not appear in the article, however they appear when I ''clic'' on them. Could you please help me make them appear at the article. Is it a problem from your server? Please help me and you will have the bless of Saint Pastapios. [[User:688dim|688dim]] 22:15, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

::Dear 688dim, Thanks for the bug report. This should now be fixed. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
:::Thanks, Fr. John for catching the "bug". I missed the pictures![[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 22:56, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

== Italian Version ==

::: Dear Father, I thought to start Italian version. How can I do that?
me and my boyfriend !! We've a lot of articol en Italian about orthodoxia.

Thanks. [[User:Raggiodisole|Raggiodisole]] 15:30, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Hi Raggiodisole, I would be very happy to see an Italian version. The place to start is [[OrthodoxWiki:Localization]] -- would you be up for this translation work? — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 04:48, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

:: Dear Father, ok, I gladly accept.
Then, if I may, I would like to post new articles in Italian orthodoxy
Technically, I would like you opened your site because I have these technical skills, so I will translate the pages essential for the initiation site and part Italian and enrich it later.
How do I send you the translation? the insert here?
Thank you for your trust, we are now going to translate the page you showed me.
I greet you and thank you Father. [[User:Raggiodisole|Raggiodisole]] 13:12, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

:: Father this is the translation you asked me:

OrthodoxWiki: Localizzazione

Questa pagina fornisce i principi di politica ufficiale sull’enciclopedia OrthodoxWiki. Questa pagina è stata redatta consensualmente degli editori ed è considerata uno standard che tutti gli utenti devono seguire. Se si parte dell'amministrazione, non esitate ad aggiornare questa pagina, se necessario, ma occorre fare in modo che le modifiche apportate a questa politica
le voci che vi appaiano devono rispecchiare fedelmente il punto di vista ortodosso e si candidano quindi ad essere un punto di riferimento, una riflessione, per chi vuol conoscere la Chiesa Ortodossa.

Localizzazione e le relazioni inter-wiki (PROGETTO IN PROGRESS)

I commenti sono accolti

Indice [nascondi]
1 Definizioni
2 Contributori
2,1 Amministrazione
2,2 Responsabilità dei contributori
2,3 Loghi e Identità
2,4 Hosting e domini
2,5 Problemi di copyright
3 Colleghi
4 Appedix A: documenti fondamentali OrthodoxWiki
5 Appendice B: Localizzazioni Attivo
6 Appendice C: Localizzazioni in fase di progettazione
7 Appendice D: Risorse

Definizione : Cos’è OrthodoxWiki [Modifica]
La localizzazione si riferisce al processo di porting del progetto OrthodoxWiki in lingue diverse dall'inglese (la lingua originale).

Si riconoscono due accordi separati. 1. Affiliati, e 2. Colleghi.

Contributori ( Affiliato)

Un rapporto "affiliato" si ha quando un gruppo canonicamente ortodosso di persone che condividono la visione OrthodoxWiki, e il desiderio di estendere il progetto OrthodoxWiki's in altre lingue. Siamo molto felici quando per avere altri wiki-based ortodossi formalmente si aderisce all’OrthodoxWiki come affiliati pieni.

Amministrazione [Modifica]

Un rapporto di affiliazione inizia quando i volontari una o più persone dedicano sforzi sostanziali per creare e mantenere una OrthodoxWiki localizzata in una lingua che non dispone già di uno. Tutti i contatti dovrebbe passare attraverso Fr. John.

Se approvata, una o più persone del gruppo affiliato sarà data sysop di stato e sarà aggiunto alla mailing list sysop OrthodoxWiki.

Responsabilità di Contribuzione (Affiliazione) [Modifica]

E 'la responsabilità della filiale/i di mantenere e gestire attivamente il sito OrthodoxWiki localizzato in conformità con le linee guida principali OrthodoxWiki, in particolare la sua politica sul copyright (per motivi legali) e OrthodoxWiki principio di neutralità. Saranno anche responsabile della traduzione di testi fondamentali OrthodoxWiki dall'inglese in altre lingue.

All'interno di questi parametri, agli operatori locali viene dato un grande margine di manovra per quanto riguarda come è strutturato il loro wiki, stabilendo le priorità per quale tipo di materiale di importazione e di esportazione dalla lingua inglese OrthodoxWiki, e così via.

Se non riescono a soddisfare queste responsabilità, stato di affiliazione può essere revocata, e la loro sottodominio di hosting e annullato. Questo tipo di misura sarà usata, tuttavia, con parsimonia solo nei casi più gravi.

Loghi e identità [Modifica]

Gli OrthodoxWiki affiliati sono autorizzati e tenuti ad adottare il logo ufficiale OrthodoxWiki, anche se possono tradurre in altre lingue, se a loro piace. Allo stesso modo, si dovrebbero utilizzare la favicon OrthodoxWiki e il plugin di ricerca icona, permettono essi possono adattare queste come vogliono (per esempio, la modifica a un diverso colore per differenziare tra le versioni di OrthodoxWiki nella casella di ricerca o per i segnalibri).

Link a tutti gli OrthodoxWikis localizzate dovrebbero essere ben descritto sulla home page di ogni discreto / sito localizzato OrthodoxWiki.

I contributori (Affialiates) possono utilizzare uno dei linkbuttons OrthodoxWiki, tradotto o meno, o può creare il proprio.

Hosting e domini

Vi forniremo un sottodominio localizzato (come ru.orthodoxwiki.org, gr.orthodoxwiki.org, bu.orthodoxwiki.org, ecc.) Questo può essere indicato un altro indirizzo IP che sarà ospitata a livello locale, oppure possiamo fornire uno spazio sul server che ospita OrthodoxWiki (un server appartenente alla ortodossa Internet Services). In alcuni casi, un nome di dominio più appropriato per la lingua in questione può anche essere sistemato sul sottodominio.

Hosting e gestione tecnica del software MediaWiki può essere fornito gratuitamente da OrthodoxWiki, in associazione con gli ortodossi Internet Services. Tuttavia, è anche possibile per gli affiliati ospitare e gestire la propria installazione MediaWiki

Problemi di copyright

Per motivi pratici, è importante che OrthodoxWikis localizzato mantenga lo stesso copyright / accordo di licenza, come la lingua inglese OrthodoxWiki.

Dato che il wiki è localizzato nel progetto OrthodoxWiki, riteniamo che tutte le immagini e gli articoli per i quali OrthodoxWiki ha ottenuto un permesso speciale da utilizzare potrebbe essere utilizzato anche su OrthodoxWikis localizzato utilizzando lo stesso nome di dominio.

I colleghi
[Modifica]
Un rapporto "collega" è particolarmente appropriato in cui l'attenzione di un altro wiki (ad esempio, la loro interpretazione del NPOV e "mainstream Chalcedonian bias ortodossi") è diverso da OrthodoxWiki's. Ci aspettiamo che questo sarebbe il caso, ad esempio, se un vecchio gruppo Calendarist greco voluto creare il proprio wiki, o per copto / non-Calcedoniani o romana (o altro) wiki cattolica, o se un altro gruppo di ortodossi orientali ha voluto avviare una wiki con una particolare attenzione sostanzialmente diverso o missione. In alcuni casi, si possono riconoscere altri Wiki come "colleghi", anche se non si definiscono cristiani.

Il "collega" parola presuppone che noi abbiamo un senso della missione comune o di complementarietà, e siamo felici di lavorare insieme e sostenere ogni lavoro altrui.

In questo caso, non si può condividere un comune branding - nomi di dominio, i loghi, linkbuttons, ecc sarebbero tutti distinti. Allo stesso modo, speciali autorizzazioni per l’ immagine e l'articolo sarebbe gestiti separatamente.

I colleghi riceveranno un riconoscimento pubblico, i link sul wiki, così come il permesso esplicito di utilizzare qualsiasi materiale appropriato OrthodoxWiki (a patto che si inserisce il loro sistema di licenze) e di ogni altra assistenza o incoraggiamento siamo in grado di fornire.

Collega status può essere revocato in qualsiasi momento, soprattutto se la missione della vira altri wiki di là di un generale "NPOV" o presa di posizione "descrittivo" e formalmente adotta una forte polemica contro un altro gruppo in modo tale che non sono utili non avendo alcun rapporto formale con loro.

Appedix A: documenti fondamentali OrthodoxWiki

Si tratta di un elenco di documenti essenziali OrthodoxWiki che deve essere tradotto (in forma abbreviata, se necessario) e mantenuta coerente in localizzazioni. Il testo in lingua inglese rimane il testo "canonico".

Pagine principali sono:

OrthodoxWiki: A proposito - abbiamo bisogno di lavorare su una revisione di questo anche in inglese!
Almeno queste pagine politica OrthodoxWiki:
OrthodoxWiki: Copyrights
OrthodoxWiki: General disclaimer
OrthodoxWiki: Informazioni sulla privacy
OrthodoxWiki: Manuale di stile
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==August 17 Menaion==

Should we call our father among the saints Theodoretus the enlightener of the Sami, as opposed to the enlightener of the Lapps. Lapp is considered something of an ethnic slur; much like calling the Inuit by the name Eskimo. On the other hand, should we wait until the Menaion itself is changed to reflect the better name for the people of northern Scandinavia. [[User:Eddieuny|Eddieuny]] 03:22, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

:Hi Eddieuny, Thanks for your question. My take is that, since he is in the menaion as "Enlightener of the Lapps" we should do this, but with a footnote explaining what you just said -- it would be good to make people aware of this. Thanks! — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 04:30, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

==Ukrainian version==

Dear Father, I thought to start Ukrainian version. How can I do that? I work with articles related to Orthodoxy on Ukrainian wikipedia.

--[[User:Roman Z|Roman Z]] 21:38, March 12, 2009 (UTC)

==Orthodox Source==
Hi father john, it is with much sadness and hurt that I see you close down Orthodox Source. Mainly because I invested a huge amount of time to put information onto that site that took a lot of my time and I dont have access to any more. I am a bit saddened because you didnt even give me some notice that you were going to close the site down so that I could at least download some of the information onto my personal computer that I can access in the future ... a bit disappointed that this was not considered and an opportunity given to do this. It only proves that the Internet is not a very viable Christian tool. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 05:50, November 27, 2008 (UTC)

== Fact check ==

Dear Father,
I am trying to recall the name of the cemetery chapel at Saint Anna's Skete on the Holy Mountain. I wondered if you or any of your readers/discussants might help me.

Thanks,
Isaak Scott Cairns

:One source tells me it's "Holy Cross" — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 20:54, March 16, 2009 (UTC)

== Hymns of Contrition ==

Father John, I bought a CD last night that in Greek is called "Kataniktika of Great lent". So, I set about doing a google today to find out just what are these hymns (although I understand the words). Many articles come up but they are primarily from the Catholic church and are seven Psalms ... these do not seem to be the format of the kataniktiko service. Can you help me. What are the Kataniktika of Great Lent? I want to post an article onto OrthodoxWiki for others to reference too.!! Thanks in advance. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 22:54, March 16, 2009 (UTC)

:O man, these Greek terms -- best ask a Byzantine-style cantor, I think. Anyone around here? — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

::Триоди в Воскресенья - the CD translates the "Kataniktika" as the "Hymns of Contrition". However, if you do a google on that term it comes up with the Catholic version of Hymns of Contrition - which are not the same! Oi! What is wrong with the Greek terms? The church lasted 2,000 years because of the beauty in the Greek language :-) Do you want us to convert everything to Russian so you can understand? LOL ANYWAY! You are a priest - you should know what these are! ROFL [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 23:07, March 16, 2009 (UTC)

::: The ''Katanyktikoi Hymnoi'' (it helps to use standard Latinization for Greek!) may be called the "Hymns of Contrition" or "Penitential Hymns," and the term refers to a wide set of pieces of hymnography used throughout the period of the Triodion, most especially in the stichera of Lenten Vespers (most often referenced in Sunday night Vespers).

::: They are not the same thing as the "Penitential Psalms." —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 23:53, March 16, 2009 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! What I did was cut and paste what you just said and inserted it into an article. Hopefully we can develop it a little ... there is not much available on the Internet for this. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 00:34, March 17, 2009 (UTC)

== ΒΟΗΘΕΙΑ ==

ΧΡΕΙΑΖΟΜΑΙ ΣΤΟΙΧΕΙΑ ΓΙΑ ΜΙΑ ΠΑΛΙΑ ΑΙΡΕΣΗ, ΛΕΓΕΤΑΙ ΑΦΘΑΡΤΟΔΟΚΗΤΙΣΜΟΣ ΚΑΙ ΙΔΡΥΤΗΣ ΤΗΣ ΗΤΑΝ Ο ΕΠΙΣΚΟΠΟΣ ΑΛΙΚΑΡΝΑΣΣΟΥ ΙΟΥΛΙΑΝΟΣ

:Ελληνικά, παρακαλώ. Δεν μιλούν ελληνικά. Σε ευχαριστώ. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

==User Creation - Proposal==
Greetings Fr. John,
With the amount of Vandalism we have, I propose that anyone requesting a new account first has to submit a request online, with some brief info about temselves, and THEN THE REQUEST WILL REQUIRE APPROVAL by yourself or Fr. Andrew or other Sysops. '''The ability for anyone to automatically create accounts will be disabled''', unless they are sincere and simply request a free account which they can then of course have; I think that the Conservapedia and some other wikis might have this system in place. Anyhow, just an idea I wanted to pass along :)

By the way, regarding the note immediately above this one (in greek), it reads something like this: ''"I require information on an ancient heresy, called "Aftharto-Docetism"?, and its proponent was the Bishop of Halicarnassos Julianos."'' I see that it was an unsigned comment however.

Cheers, [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 00:10, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

:Hi Angellight, given the number of users we have, this sounds like an awful lot of work. I'd rather just clean up occasionally as needed, but let me keep my eyes open for another solution. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 00:17, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

::other forums require that you Verify your "humanity" by typing into a box the combination of numbers/letters you can see on the screen to verify that you are indeed "real" and not a bot. maybe that is all you need. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 00:51, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

::::Yep, was just posting that I've just installed a captcha test for new user registrations. It won't block disturbed individuals, but should help with the automated creation of accounts from multiple un-blacklisted IPs where email verification can be performed. Amazing we have to deal with that, eh? — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 00:55, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, you have to wonder why they havent got better things to do than hurl abuse at people who are minding their own business ... I learnt something yesterday. A priest called Fr Demetrius wrote an email about praying for the deceased soul of a "george" who was a pro-abortionist in America. When you read with what tenderness and love Fr Demetrius writes about this "sinner" you realise how much we just pity these people - for they know not what they do. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 01:04, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

:::The only effect really is to drain a little bit of my time away :-(. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

::::Hey, I just did an EDIT on an article and it asked me to fill out a box ... is this going to be the standard practise from now on for editing as it will grow tedious I think for regulars? [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 01:37, June 4, 2009 (UTC)
:::Whoops, I'll fix this. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 01:43, June 4, 2009 (UTC)
:::I missed the setting that said "Require captcha when user edits page and adds a link" - let me know if it happens again! — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

::::Sure, also while I have you and you are in a good mood :D I would like to ask for a favour (as far as practical) my heart is to complete the most comprehensive Table of Saints (in Chronological order) - as you can witness by this new article. At present, I am systematically and patiently working through the information ON OrthodoxWiki ... how can I identify saints I have missed NOT listed on OrthodoxWiki. Do you have any suggestions? [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 01:53, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

:::Wow! Sounds like a big job. I guess you'd have to check the websites of the various Orthodox jurisdictions around the world, or get your hands on a really good synaxarion (I like the one published by at Ormylia) and refer to its index. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 01:56, June 4, 2009 (UTC)

== Glitch ==

See [[Talk:Alban|this]]. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 01:59, July 8, 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks, message left. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 05:38, July 8, 2009 (UTC)

== Sysop. ==

Hello Fr. John.
I am a Greek Orthodox user. I was wonderign if you can add me as a sysop to help you out with the site. I have a lot of time on my hands.

In his service,
--[[User:Greeks|Greeks]] 15:23, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

==Hello!==
Hi sir! I would like to create a project OrthodoxWiki dutch language and I have rights bureaucrat, administrator, renameuser, Checkuser and oversight, thanks. —[[User:Mr. man|Mister]] [[User talk:Mr. man|'''lasă-mi un mesaj''']] 17:23, February 20, 2010 (UTC)ﻧ

:You are active or no? For 2 months you no response me. --—[[User:Mr. man|Mister]] [[User talk:Mr. man|'''lasă-mi un mesaj''']] 15:15, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Many Orthodox believers have asked about the Icon of Christ and the Ancient of Days and confusing this elder sitting next to Christ with God the Father.
They are not alone, for the entire Roman Catholic Church believes that this is the case and their belief has by the process of osmosis been picked up by many of our clergy and this icon has been ejected from many of our Churches. It is not true for the Ancient of Days is the Son of God who was begotten before all time. If they recall, Christ in the incarnation had divested Himself of those signs of being God and had assumed the appearance of a mere servant. The icon of the Platytera teaches us that the Holy Virgin's womb contained the "uncontainable, therefore those aspects of God the Son of God remained in the mystery of Heaven. Read on with what I have written:

QUESTION:

v Do you recall ever having seen this icon of Jesus Christ holding his cross, sitting at the right of an elderly man with white hair?
at their feet there are cherubic figures, and about them there are clouds. They both have a nimbus above their head and above them
there is a white dove, sometimes within a circle or a triangle.
v Is there anything incorrect about it ?
v Why is it not found in today’s churches ?
v What is its origin ?

For those of us who are old enough, this icon is familiar. We had seen it in most of the Greek Orthodox Churches when we were children. It was located on the iconostasion on the right side of the royal entrance, the spot currently occupied by the icon of Christ. I do remember it in St. Sophia Cathedral (until the 1960’s) and in the Holy Trinity Church in Waterbury, Connecticut (in the 1920’-30’s). St. Sophia’s oldest icons were contributed to a more recently established parish in Virginia and this icon was still in use there as of seven years ago.

What is wrong with it? It has a perfectly good representation of Christ. He is seated at the right hand of an elderly man who is giving a blessing and they are both apparently seated in majesty in heaven. There are little, western style cherubs at their feet. The elderly man supposedly represents God the Father. Instead of a halo, His head is usually surrounded by a triangle which, I presume, represents the Holy Trinity. I have heard of Him in this representation being named the “Ancient of Days.” What is wrong with all this is that God the Father is purely spirit and cannot be portrayed in any manner. Christ said in the New Testament, “When you see Me, you see my Father.” This is the reason why this icon has been supplanted by one of Christ alone, for when we see Christ in an icon, we see the Father.

How did we come to portray God the Father in this manner? I could not discover the answer in any book on iconography or theology available to me. It was not until I came across a passage in the Septuagint Scriptures that I found the answer in the Book of Daniel chapter VII, verses 9 - 10 and 13 - 14.

[9] I beheld until the thrones were set, and the Ancient of days sat; and his raiment was white as snow, and the hair of his head as pure wool: his throne was a flame of fire, and his wheels burning fire. [10] A stream of fire rushed forth before him: thousand thousands ministered to him, and ten thousands of myriads attended upon him: the judgment sat, and the books were opened.
[13] I beheld in the night vision, and, lo, one coming with the clouds of heaven as the Son of Man, and he came on to the Ancient of Days, and was brought near to him. [14] And to him was given the dominion, and the honour,and the kingdom; and all the nations, tribes, and languages, shall serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom shall not be destroyed.

This vision and prophesy of Daniel has been identified, in both Latin Catholic and Protestant sources as a prefiguration of God the Father and the powers and glory which He has bestowed upon God the Son, Jesus Christ - the Son of Man. This passage may have been the source of the artistic rendering of God the Father as the “Ancient of Days.” Whether this conception was original with our iconographers or was influenced by the realistic presentations of western artists is not known. Indeed we have a prime example of this in Michaelangelo’s painting of God in the Sistine Chapel and the western style cherubs at their feet. His portraiture is that of an old man with white hair and a white beard, reaching out with his finger to endow Adam with life. None of these features are found in Orthodox iconography and their being in this icon suggests the influence of western imaging since large portions of Greece had been occupied for several centuries by Venetian, Catalan and other Latins.

Regardless of its origins, this icon is considered erroneous today.

Providence has a way of providing us with truths to heal our ignorance. I believe that I have discovered the significance of this icon while reading A Discourse On the Nativity of Christ by St. Gregory Thaumatourgos, Bishop of Neo-Caesarea (died 260) . He wrote:

“The new wonders do strike me with awe. The Ancient of Days is become a Child, to make people children of God. Sitting in glory in the Heavens, because of His love for mankind, He now layeth in a manger of dumb beasts.”

Do the words of Gregory’s statement imply that this icon could represent a “double image” of Christ? First as the “Ancient of Days”, the only-begotten Son of God, born before all ages. Adjacent to Him is the younger Incarnate Jesus Christ, Son of Man(-kind) as He appeared to us on earth in His kenotic form (i.e. when He “emptied Himself” and “became as a base servant”). Gone would be the mistaken identification of the Ancient of Days as God the Father, which is the mainstay of western explanations. Such an interpretation of this icon sheds a completely new light upon it, a light which may render it theologically legitimate. Even so St. Gregory goes on to say: “The Impassionate, Incorporeal, Incomprehensible One is taken by human hands, in order to atone the violence of sinners.” If the Ancient of Days has these chacteristics, is it permissible to portray him in an icon? Does the fact that He becomes incarnate as Jesus Christ repeal the prohibition of showing Him as an aged man?
However, St. Gregory’s words have allowed me to learn the true meaning of this prophesy from the Book of Daniel. It is a prophesy of the Parousia, the Second Coming of Christ, when the “books will be opened” and the “secrets of men will be revealed.” I am thankful to have gained this knowledge so that I can look upon this icon with greater appreciation. Later yet, I discovered that there is an icon in St. Katherine’s Monastery at Sinai which depicts the Ancient of Days, and on his lap rests Jesus as a child. This icon is said to confirm the concept voiced by St. Gregory that The Ancient of Days is the heavenly manifestation of the Son of God.

The Ancient of Days with a child Jesus Christ on His Lap, 12th century
At St. Katherine’s Monastery Church, Mt. Sinai
(You can find this icon on the internet)

== Psalter quote ==

Father John,
Bless!
My name is Manoli and I'm an 18 year old recent high school graduate. I am distantly acquainted with Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick and I'm writing an essay for the PanHellenic Foundation, trying to get a scholarship for college. I want to use the "golden thread" quote from "one modern commentator" on the OrthodoxWiki "Psalter" page. If you know who that person is, or who would know who that person is, I'd appreciate any info...Fr. Andrew doesn't and although I'm registered on OrthodoxWiki as CampNazFanatic, I don't know much about using the site so I decided to contact you. Please respond asap as this essay is due like tomorrow.
Thanks,
Manoli
--CampNazFanatic[[CampNazFanatic]]

==IMAGES ISSUES==
Warm greetings Fr. John,

I hope it is okay that I am contacting you directly, but this problem has not been resolved for some time. Could you kindly look into rectifying the long-standing problem with uploaded images not displaying - they do not display once they are uploaded and they do not display especially as thumbnails.

See here: the [http://commons.orthodoxwiki.org/Special:Newimages Gallery of New Image Files];

I had left a note at the OrthodoxWiki Trapeza [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza#Thumbnails_Error|here]] regarding this error some time ago, but it has gone unanswered and the problem is not resolved.

Surely there must be a process to have this investigated? -- i.e. Where is the OW site hosted? Which person(s)/webmasters or what entity is in charge of maintenance? Who needs to be called? Who is in control? And WHERE is their accountability???? Why have they ignored this for so long? Was this change done intentionally for some reason and if so why is there no notice informing the users? This problem has persisted for a very long time now, and it appears that it is a feature that has been disabled. If it stays non-functional this way I fear that this will discourage further users from wanting to contribute to OW. If there is something I have overlooked apologies in advance. Hoping something can be done. Thanks and kind regards :) [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 05:49, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

::Hi Angellight -- I apologize for the frustration. Sadly, it is I -- the negligent webmaster. and the volunteer in charge of site maintenance (but with many distractions). Please be assured that there is nothing intentional in the problem - the site just needs an upgrade. Because of the way the databases are tied together for each localization, it gets a little complex. I will strive to find some time to fix this soon. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 07:28, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

:::Many thanks for the info dear Fr.; good to know the site will be eventually upgraded and that this will be addressed then. Please forgive my initial frustration. This is a wonderful resource and I hope to see it grow. Cheers, [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 18:55, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

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:Fr. John, this may be part of the same problem, if one tries to add a image and re-size it they get an error:
Error creating thumbnail: Warning: passthru() has been disabled for security reasons in
/home/owiki/public_html/shared/includes /GlobalFunctions.php on line 1839 
:(just an FYI) - [[User:Andrew|Andy]] 16:41, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

::I apologize for the delay in getting this resolved. Thumbnails should now be working again! — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

== Suppression ==

Unfortunately, after going through some articles and dead links, it seems that the Oriental Orthodox Church is suppressed on this OrthodoxWiki. it is a shame becuase this wiki is what should unite us together in Christ, not divide us and furthurmore insult our brothers and sisters. No one would dare do that to Christ. Eastern Orthodoxy and Oreintal Orthodoxy are probably the closest, most Orthodox, unchanging groups of Churches. I pray that one day we will once again be reunited as one in His Church.

God Bless

:: Hello [[Cmd|User:Cmd]] - It is certainly not my heart to suppress Oriental Orthodoxy in any way. In fact, just about 30 minutes ago I was speaking about my respect for Oriental Orthodox Christians, and talking about how the Christological differences have been largely resolved. This is a joy to me. Please see [[OrthodoxWiki:Style_Manual_%28Point_of_View%29]] for the stated policy of this site. If you can point to specific examples of suppression, that would be helpful. In Christ, — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 23:32, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

== About the 3 photos at the text ''Monastery of St Patapios (Loutraki, Greece)'' ==

Dear Father John. I have added 3 photos at the text ''Monastery of St Patapios (Loutraki, Greece)'', but they do not appear in the article, however they appear when I ''clic'' on them. Could you please help me make them appear at the article. Is it a problem from your server? Please help me and you will have the bless of Saint Pastapios. [[User:688dim|688dim]] 22:15, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

::Dear 688dim, Thanks for the bug report. This should now be fixed. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
:::Thanks, Fr. John for catching the "bug". I missed the pictures![[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 22:56, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

== Italian Version ==

::: Dear Father, I thought to start Italian version. How can I do that?
me and my boyfriend !! We've a lot of articol en Italian about orthodoxia.

Thanks. [[User:Raggiodisole|Raggiodisole]] 15:30, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Hi Raggiodisole, I would be very happy to see an Italian version. The place to start is [[OrthodoxWiki:Localization]] -- would you be up for this translation work? — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 04:48, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

:: Dear Father, ok, I gladly accept.
Then, if I may, I would like to post new articles in Italian orthodoxy
Technically, I would like you opened your site because I have these technical skills, so I will translate the pages essential for the initiation site and part Italian and enrich it later.
How do I send you the translation? the insert here?
Thank you for your trust, we are now going to translate the page you showed me.
I greet you and thank you Father. [[User:Raggiodisole|Raggiodisole]] 13:12, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

:: Father this is the translation you asked me:

OrthodoxWiki: Localizzazione

Questa pagina fornisce i principi di politica ufficiale sull’enciclopedia OrthodoxWiki. Questa pagina è stata redatta consensualmente degli editori ed è considerata uno standard che tutti gli utenti devono seguire. Se si parte dell'amministrazione, non esitate ad aggiornare questa pagina, se necessario, ma occorre fare in modo che le modifiche apportate a questa politica
le voci che vi appaiano devono rispecchiare fedelmente il punto di vista ortodosso e si candidano quindi ad essere un punto di riferimento, una riflessione, per chi vuol conoscere la Chiesa Ortodossa.

Localizzazione e le relazioni inter-wiki (PROGETTO IN PROGRESS)

I commenti sono accolti

Indice [nascondi]
1 Definizioni
2 Contributori
2,1 Amministrazione
2,2 Responsabilità dei contributori
2,3 Loghi e Identità
2,4 Hosting e domini
2,5 Problemi di copyright
3 Colleghi
4 Appedix A: documenti fondamentali OrthodoxWiki
5 Appendice B: Localizzazioni Attivo
6 Appendice C: Localizzazioni in fase di progettazione
7 Appendice D: Risorse

Definizione : Cos’è OrthodoxWiki [Modifica]
La localizzazione si riferisce al processo di porting del progetto OrthodoxWiki in lingue diverse dall'inglese (la lingua originale).

Si riconoscono due accordi separati. 1. Affiliati, e 2. Colleghi.

Contributori ( Affiliato)

Un rapporto "affiliato" si ha quando un gruppo canonicamente ortodosso di persone che condividono la visione OrthodoxWiki, e il desiderio di estendere il progetto OrthodoxWiki's in altre lingue. Siamo molto felici quando per avere altri wiki-based ortodossi formalmente si aderisce all’OrthodoxWiki come affiliati pieni.

Amministrazione [Modifica]

Un rapporto di affiliazione inizia quando i volontari una o più persone dedicano sforzi sostanziali per creare e mantenere una OrthodoxWiki localizzata in una lingua che non dispone già di uno. Tutti i contatti dovrebbe passare attraverso Fr. John.

Se approvata, una o più persone del gruppo affiliato sarà data sysop di stato e sarà aggiunto alla mailing list sysop OrthodoxWiki.

Responsabilità di Contribuzione (Affiliazione) [Modifica]

E 'la responsabilità della filiale/i di mantenere e gestire attivamente il sito OrthodoxWiki localizzato in conformità con le linee guida principali OrthodoxWiki, in particolare la sua politica sul copyright (per motivi legali) e OrthodoxWiki principio di neutralità. Saranno anche responsabile della traduzione di testi fondamentali OrthodoxWiki dall'inglese in altre lingue.

All'interno di questi parametri, agli operatori locali viene dato un grande margine di manovra per quanto riguarda come è strutturato il loro wiki, stabilendo le priorità per quale tipo di materiale di importazione e di esportazione dalla lingua inglese OrthodoxWiki, e così via.

Se non riescono a soddisfare queste responsabilità, stato di affiliazione può essere revocata, e la loro sottodominio di hosting e annullato. Questo tipo di misura sarà usata, tuttavia, con parsimonia solo nei casi più gravi.

Loghi e identità [Modifica]

Gli OrthodoxWiki affiliati sono autorizzati e tenuti ad adottare il logo ufficiale OrthodoxWiki, anche se possono tradurre in altre lingue, se a loro piace. Allo stesso modo, si dovrebbero utilizzare la favicon OrthodoxWiki e il plugin di ricerca icona, permettono essi possono adattare queste come vogliono (per esempio, la modifica a un diverso colore per differenziare tra le versioni di OrthodoxWiki nella casella di ricerca o per i segnalibri).

Link a tutti gli OrthodoxWikis localizzate dovrebbero essere ben descritto sulla home page di ogni discreto / sito localizzato OrthodoxWiki.

I contributori (Affialiates) possono utilizzare uno dei linkbuttons OrthodoxWiki, tradotto o meno, o può creare il proprio.

Hosting e domini

Vi forniremo un sottodominio localizzato (come ru.orthodoxwiki.org, gr.orthodoxwiki.org, bu.orthodoxwiki.org, ecc.) Questo può essere indicato un altro indirizzo IP che sarà ospitata a livello locale, oppure possiamo fornire uno spazio sul server che ospita OrthodoxWiki (un server appartenente alla ortodossa Internet Services). In alcuni casi, un nome di dominio più appropriato per la lingua in questione può anche essere sistemato sul sottodominio.

Hosting e gestione tecnica del software MediaWiki può essere fornito gratuitamente da OrthodoxWiki, in associazione con gli ortodossi Internet Services. Tuttavia, è anche possibile per gli affiliati ospitare e gestire la propria installazione MediaWiki

Problemi di copyright

Per motivi pratici, è importante che OrthodoxWikis localizzato mantenga lo stesso copyright / accordo di licenza, come la lingua inglese OrthodoxWiki.

Dato che il wiki è localizzato nel progetto OrthodoxWiki, riteniamo che tutte le immagini e gli articoli per i quali OrthodoxWiki ha ottenuto un permesso speciale da utilizzare potrebbe essere utilizzato anche su OrthodoxWikis localizzato utilizzando lo stesso nome di dominio.

I colleghi
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Un rapporto "collega" è particolarmente appropriato in cui l'attenzione di un altro wiki (ad esempio, la loro interpretazione del NPOV e "mainstream Chalcedonian bias ortodossi") è diverso da OrthodoxWiki's. Ci aspettiamo che questo sarebbe il caso, ad esempio, se un vecchio gruppo Calendarist greco voluto creare il proprio wiki, o per copto / non-Calcedoniani o romana (o altro) wiki cattolica, o se un altro gruppo di ortodossi orientali ha voluto avviare una wiki con una particolare attenzione sostanzialmente diverso o missione. In alcuni casi, si possono riconoscere altri Wiki come "colleghi", anche se non si definiscono cristiani.

Il "collega" parola presuppone che noi abbiamo un senso della missione comune o di complementarietà, e siamo felici di lavorare insieme e sostenere ogni lavoro altrui.

In questo caso, non si può condividere un comune branding - nomi di dominio, i loghi, linkbuttons, ecc sarebbero tutti distinti. Allo stesso modo, speciali autorizzazioni per l’ immagine e l'articolo sarebbe gestiti separatamente.

I colleghi riceveranno un riconoscimento pubblico, i link sul wiki, così come il permesso esplicito di utilizzare qualsiasi materiale appropriato OrthodoxWiki (a patto che si inserisce il loro sistema di licenze) e di ogni altra assistenza o incoraggiamento siamo in grado di fornire.

Collega status può essere revocato in qualsiasi momento, soprattutto se la missione della vira altri wiki di là di un generale "NPOV" o presa di posizione "descrittivo" e formalmente adotta una forte polemica contro un altro gruppo in modo tale che non sono utili non avendo alcun rapporto formale con loro.

Appedix A: documenti fondamentali OrthodoxWiki

Si tratta di un elenco di documenti essenziali OrthodoxWiki che deve essere tradotto (in forma abbreviata, se necessario) e mantenuta coerente in localizzazioni. Il testo in lingua inglese rimane il testo "canonico".

Pagine principali sono:

OrthodoxWiki: A proposito - abbiamo bisogno di lavorare su una revisione di questo anche in inglese!
Almeno queste pagine politica OrthodoxWiki:
OrthodoxWiki: Copyrights
OrthodoxWiki: General disclaimer
OrthodoxWiki: Informazioni sulla privacy
OrthodoxWiki: Manuale di stile
Help: titoli di immagine
Core modelli includono:

Il più generico Modelli generali, in particolare:
Template: Benvenuto
Template: Stub
Template: Pulitura
Template: disambig
Tutti i modelli Copyright richieste per il materiale utilizzato sul sito affiliato, in particolare:
Template: Copyright
Template: non verificato
Template: Fairuse
Template: OWiki
Template: Skete.com
Template: Oca
Template: Htm
Template: Pd

Altre pagine che arricchiscono il funzionamento del wiki, ma non sono strettamente necessarie, o può essere più liberamente adattato per l'uso locale, sono:

OrthodoxWiki: News
OrthodoxWiki: Buzz
Le pagine di aiuto e le pagine nel namespace OrthodoxWiki.
Altre pagine template - vedi OrthodoxWiki: Modelli per un elenco completo

Appendice B: Localizzazioni Attivo

Bulgaro OrthodoxWiki (http://bg.orthodoxwiki.org) – Riferimento per un contatto: Costantino per aiutare o per ulteriori informazioni.
(Questo sito è considerato pienamente avviato e maturo.)
Rumeno di lingua OrthodoxWiki (http://ro.orthodoxwiki.org) –
Contatti Utente: Inistea per aiutare o per ulteriori informazioni.
(Questo sito è considerato pienamente avviato e maturo.)
Per una discussione in lingua araba OrthodoxWiki (fase Alpha: http://ar.orthodoxwiki.org), andare al OrthodoxWiki: Localizzazione / arabo. Vedi anche qui.
In lingua russa OrthodoxWiki (fase Alpha: http://ru.orthodoxwiki.org) - Vai alla OrthodoxWiki: Localizzazione / Russo.
Di lingua greca OrthodoxWiki - EL: Αρχική_σελίδα

Appendice C: Localizzazioni in fase di progettazione [Modifica]

Di lingua neerlandese OrthodoxWiki (nl.orthodoxwiki.org) –
Contatti Utente: Stephan per aiutare o per ulteriori informazioni.
Castigliano e portoghese –
Contatti Utente: Theofilactos (vedi anche qui).
Spagnolo: User: Alstradiaan.

Appendice D: Risorse [Modifica]

meta: MediaWiki_localisation
meta: Help: Esportazione e meta: Help: Import
meta: Recent_changes_extension - se si volesse unire elenchi delle ultime modifiche
meta: Meta: Babel_templates - mostra competenze linguistiche dell'utente
meta: transwiki
Estratto da "http://orthodoxwiki.org/OrthodoxWiki:Localization"

I send this translation in another place?
Thanks

User talk:FrJohn

2011-02-22T13:12:02Z

Raggiodisole:

User talk:FrJohn

2011-02-07T15:30:21Z

Raggiodisole:

OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza

2011-01-19T13:27:55Z

Raggiodisole:

In a monastery, a '''[[refectory|trapeza]]''' (or ''refectory''), is the dining hall where monks and pilgrims gather for food and conversation (although monks don't usually talk during meals). The OrthodoxWiki trapeza serves as the main discussion point for our website. Please feel free to join in—ask anything, suggest an idea, make a comment. We're glad to have you here. For other, more specifically designated discussion pages, check out the [[OrthodoxWiki:Community Portal|Community Portal]].

'''If you have questions or comments about specific articles''', please direct them to the Talk pages of those articles so that they will be seen by editors working on them.

[[Category:OrthodoxWiki]] [[bg:Project:Трапеза]] [[el:OrthodoxWiki:Τράπεζα]] [[fr:OrthodoxWiki:La Cafétéria]] [[mk:Православна-енциклопедија:Трпеза]] [[ro:OrthodoxWiki:Cafenea]]

* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 1|Archive 1]], Feb 2005 – Dec 2005 (formerly the [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Anything_Goes&oldid=22917 Anything Goes] page)
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 2|Archive 2]], Feb 2005 – Aug 2006 (formerly the [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Questions&oldid=37973 Questions] page)
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 3|Archive 3]], Oct 2005 – Aug 2006 (moved from [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&oldid=37962 Talk:Main Page])
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 4|Archive 4]], Aug 2006 – Dec 2006 (2006 Trapeza archive)
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 5|Archive 5]], through November 2008

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== Closing down OrthodoxSource and SR ==
Friends, I apologize for being absent for awhile. Please let me know if you have any outstanding wiki issues you need to resolve! 
As of today, I am shutting down OrthodoxSource. Apologies to IXThis888, who has put in a good deal of work. However, there was not enough of a community of contibutors and moderators there, and I think it would be better for us all at this point to keep the focus on this wiki. Also, I will likely be shutting down SR soon. There has been no activity there for a long time, and I'm afraid that the required documents (about copyrights and policies) were never translated. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 12:45, November 25, 2008 (UTC)

== questions ==
hi, i have photos of the raifa monastary i would like to upload as well as a convent neasr yoshkar ola russia which i do not beleive yet has an article how would i create a new article for this? {{unsigned|Kharaku}}
:Hello, on the left hand side of your screen ... scroll down until you see the words
"upload file" .. then follow the steps ...its not too hard and always someone will help you categorise your work ... Good luck! [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 01:16, November 29, 2008 (UTC)

== Adding a Photo.... ==

I have been wanting to post my photo, but do not know HTML.
Could someone please give me a tip on how to do this?

Thanks! {{unsigned|Jacifus}}

: Give a thorough read to the materials linked in the welcome message on your talk page. There's plenty there that should help. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 23:56, December 3, 2008 (UTC)

==Seminarian input==
Over at Citizendium, there is a programme whereby faculty at various universities enjoin their students to post their work. I was wondering if it would make sense here to start publishing seminarians' papers. They come with faculty oversight and would be of sufficient quality to support reliability here. [[User:Thomas Simmons|Thomas Simmons]] 09:28, December 19, 2008 (PST)

:There is also a Wiki Site called "Patristic Wiki" that you should look at. Father John set it up recently (mid-November I think) and they are asking for people to contribute in regards to patristic related stuff .... 22:47, December 18, 2008 (UTC)

:: 1. This is not really a place for papers, but for encyclopedia articles. If seminarians wish to write Orthodox encyclopedia articles here, they are welcome to do so.

:: 2. PatristicsWiki is not connected with OrthodoxWiki and, as far as I know, not set up by (our) Fr. John. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 01:54, December 19, 2008 (UTC)

:::Hi, I know that PatristicWiki is not linked with OrthodoxWiki but I mentioned it since I presume that everyone's core intention is to spread Orthodoxy in the way they know how ... who you are affiliated with wrt posting information publically is irrelevant as long as the end users are connected to God and the Truth. I had the impression (our) Father John was involved with it ... since, he monitors the emails for the Ancient Faith podcast that Dcn Matthew has been delivering - and he is from Monachos.net So doh! [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 04:03, December 19, 2008 (UTC)

== ROK's Basic Teaching on Human Dignity, Freedom and Rights ==
I learnt recently the Russian Church adopted a [http://www.mospat.ru/index.php?mid=463 Basic Teaching on Human Dignity, Freedom and Rights]. Metropolitan Kyrill held a [http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=documents&div=65 speech] at a conference in Vienna in 2006 where he said this teaching is meaningful to all christans and at the UN Human Rights Council he [http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=documents&div=121 said] in 2008 adoption of human rights is unsuccessful because it fades out moral. I believe this is important. Would there be interest to have an article on this topic?{{unsigned|Haiduk}}

:Perhaps you should make it a "sub-topic" under the [[Church of Russia]] since it is specific to their jurisdiction? I will give it a shot first if you want and then you can come in and edit??? Remember to sign your posts with three tilde (~) signs. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 00:45, December 19, 2008 (UTC)

:: I'm glad with just doing a revision. I agree adding it to [[Church of Russia]] would be adequate. It's up to you to follow Fr. Andrew advice or convince him, if that is possible [[User:Haiduk|Haiduk]]
::Honestly now, with no mucking around and with respect to Father Andrew its not MY job to convince and neither do I want to convince him since I trust what he is telling me :) However, if you wish to ..since it is your own idea ...go ahead. I merely was trying to be helpful but if its not appropriate for an article I can only just go with the guy who holds the petraxili .... :) [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 14:30, December 19, 2008 (UTC)
:: Well, my salvation is not dependent on having such an article at OrthodoxWiki. I just wanted to ensure information about this declaration finds it's way into this community. I guess (since it is not easy to write a reasonable article on this subject) it might be better to forward it to english language blogs or forums such as monachos.net. --[[User:Haiduk|Haiduk]] 16:34, December 20, 2008 (UTC)

: That's interesting, but it's really more fit for a newspaper than an encyclopedia. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 02:27, December 19, 2008 (UTC)

==Orthodoxy in Italy==
I think it is completely inapropriate to use the title [[Orthodox Church in Italy]] for a non official orthodox church, that exists only 17 years, when in Italy orthodoxy has a history for many centuries. As far as I can see there is an article referred to [[Gennadios (Zervos) of Italy and Malta]] (the primate of the '''diocese of Italy of the Ecumenical Patriarchate'''), but there isn't an article for his archdiocese "Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of Italy". Also in the english and italian wikipedia the problem is the same. It seems as if the users who created the "Orthodox Church in Italy" articles were really quickly to catch the title! But it should remain like this? I think no. And it is, in my point of view completely unacceptable if that happens also in the "Orthodoxwiki".--[[User:Sp!ros|Sp!ros]] 21:27, December 29, 2008 (UTC)

: Generally, we use whatever titles such groups give themselves, noting within the article that they are not in communion with mainstream Orthodoxy, etc.

: In any event, I have removed the redirect and changed all the links to [[Chiesa Ortodossa in Italia]].

: You would be most welcome to provide the articles that you suggest are needed. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 20:58, December 31, 2008 (UTC)

== Archbishop Nikitas (Lulias) Cekal Archimandrit Daniel Bambang Dwi Biantoro ==

Pada Februari 2007 lalu, Metropolitan Orthodox Hongkong dan Asia Tenggara, '''His Eminence Nikitas Lulias''' mengeluarkan keputusan pencekalan (pembebas-tugas-an) terhadap '''Archimandrit Daniel Bambang Dwi Biantoro''', yang artinya Archimandrit Daniel Bambang tidak diperkenankan lagi (''suspended'') untuk berbicara, melakukan tugas penggembalaan jemaat atas nama gereja. Meskipun archimandrit Daniel mengklaim dirinya menjadi bagian dari satu gereja tertentu, tapi yang bersangkutan tidak lagi menerima putusan/ ketetapan (''Canonical Release'')dari Gereja sebagaimana disyaratkan. Hal ini atas sepengetahuan '''Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople.''' {{unsigned|Maruli}}

: I'm honestly not sure what language this is, but unless you post here in English, you're not likely to get too many responses. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 18:46, January 4, 2009 (UTC)

::It's Indonesian. Here's an English rendering (thanks to the ever-improving Google Translate) -- "In February 2007, the Orthodox Metropolitan Hong Kong and Southeast Asia, His Eminence Nikitas Lulias-ban issue a decision (liberator-task-an) of Archimandrit Daniel Bambang Dwi Biantoro, which means Archimandrit Daniel Bambang not be more (suspended) to speak, doing penggembalaan of the church in the name of the church. Although Daniel archimandrit claimed himself to be part of a particular church, but they no longer receive the decision / provisions (Canonical Release) from the Church, as required. This top sepengetahuan Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople." — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 02:05, January 5, 2009 (UTC)

== Churches in Melbourne ==

I plan on uploading around one hundred photographs of churches in Melbourne to [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Greek_Orthodox_churches_in_Australia Wikimedia commons] over the next few days. You are free to reuse them; all my work is released into the public domain. Hope to have done all of the Orthodox churches within a few months. [[User:Ottre|Ottre]] 11:55, February 16, 2009 (UTC)

== log in ==

why does no one ever log on and really have discussion on other pages? {{unsigned|Rob}}

: I'm not really sure I understand what you mean. Could you explain a little more? —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 22:14, March 9, 2009 (UTC)

== The Cemetery Chapel at Saint Anna's Skete? ==

I'm trying to remember the name of the cemetery chapel at Saint Anna's Skete on the Holy Mountain, the chapel where pilgrims generally worship on weekdays. Does anyone recall which saint the chapel venerates?

Father Andrew, is there a more likely page on this site where I might solicit a response?

Thanks,
Isaak

: Your best bet is at [[Talk:St. Anne's Skete (Athos)]]. It may simply be that no one who knows has yet noticed and commented. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 13:42, March 20, 2009 (UTC)

== John the Forerunner? ==
Hello, I have a question regarding the St. John the Forerunner page. It says something along the lines of, John the Baptist, also known as John the Forerunner... I was wondering if the two names should be switched, since John the Baptist is a more western term? --[[User:Iliada|Iliada]] 00:24, March 20, 2009 (UTC)

: Please direct questions about specific articles to the talk pages of those articles, e.g., [[Talk:John the Forerunner]]. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 13:42, March 20, 2009 (UTC)

==Uploading sound recordings==
I've tried uploading a sound recording (bell ringing) file to Orthodoxwiki Commons and have not been successful. I have tried as a Media file and a Image file, since some vocal music recording on Commons appear to be so uploaded. The recording is an mp3 file, through iTunes on a Mac. All attempts fail and bring up the warning banner of a corrupt, etc., file. I notice that there are no sound files in Commons other than those done originally by Father John last year. Has anyone tried uploading any sound files? Is there a special technique involved, what file ID is used:Media or Image, or other! Or is the upload capability not working for sound files?[[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 13:45, March 23, 2009 (UTC)

== Wiki logo ==

Where is the actual wiki logo? I can't find it because the one in the corner is a link to the main page. Thanks! [[User:Theodoros|Theodoros]] 03:20, March 29, 2009 (UTC)

:Theodoros, do you want it for a link button or something? — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 04:38, March 30, 2009 (UTC)

== choice of a religion ==

Majority of us follow the religion of our parents.We are either circumcised in infancy or recited verses of a particular book in our ears declaring it as our religion before we understand its implications. When we grow up in a particular culture and society we have friends and relative we go along with them to church/synegogue/mandar or masjid.How can we when we are grown up sacrifice all our friends/ relatives by opting for another religion.How can all those whom I loved and cared about can be wrong or I will take the risk of isolation.There is hardly a very little percentage that study different religions and adopt the one that is more convincing or appeals to thier logic.In a survey conducted by me it was revealed that 80% of them have not read the divine book of thier religion in a language that they understand. Their knowledge of their religion was based upon oral communication of a preist or thier parents. We since are infancy are brain washed that we are on the right path and rest every body is an infidel and deserves to be hated or may even be killed.When over 90% of human specie follow the religion by virtue of being born in a particular family and 80% do not read even the divine book of thier religion than what difference does it make that one follows any of the religions.Asif azam

'''Well, I believe it doesn't matter what religion people are. In the Bible, Jesus never says that ONLY Christians get to heaven. One gets to heaven by carrying out Jesus' word: feeding the hungry, clothing the naked... --[[User:Iliada|Iliada]] 10:45, May 12, 2009 (UTC)
'''

: Hello! I wouldn't want to explain too much here, just wanted to warmly greet you and note that you are right about most of the things. You are very fortunate to be born as an Orthodox Greek, and I believe you will be able to find a good priest near you, who can talk to you about the things you wrote here. Not everyone is so lucky to inherit from the ancestors the true faith and true worship.

: ''We since are infancy are brain washed that we are on the right path and rest every body is an infidel and deserves to be hated or may even be killed.'' - I would think the opposite, that it is not the orthodox christian family and church that brainwashes us, but rather the "other" culture is having a great influence on us. And, of course, you won't be able to find hatred and "deserves to be killed" attitude in the orthodox church and family (if you still manage to do so, that would be an exception). Actually - what you are saying is a good example of that :-)

: However, this is an encyclopaedia, a virtual community, the real community is in the church. Gia sou. [[User:K.panteleimon|K.panteleimon]] 20:12, June 24, 2009 (UTC)

== New Orthodox Website Alert ==

Hey all, a new orthodox website has been launched ... you might all like to take a look and if anyone knows if this site needs to be referenced within any OrthodoxWiki articles can you please add as a link (if you know where).

http://www.orthodoxmysteries.com

== List of Orthodox churches in a particular region ==
I recall that we had a discussion at one point about taking the lists off OW where possible - what was the outcome of this discussion? — by [[User:Pistevo|Pιsτévο]] ''[[User talk:Pistevo|talk]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|complaints]]'' at 00:13, May 23, 2009 (UTC)

== National Saints? ==

I couldn't find a discussion on this issue elsewhere, sorry if I repeat an issue which has already been elaborated.

The whole concept of ''national saints'' is odd to the (orthodox) christian mindset. We believe that in the Church ''there is neither Jew nor Greek'' (Gal. 3, 28).

It can also bring not little confusion, and potentially - uneccessary and unfruitful nationalistic quarrels. Look, for example, at the Saints pages on different languages - you'll find that saints listed in one national category in one language, are listed under a different nation in another language - because each nation tends to claim the saint its own.

The correct and orthodox approach is seen on the greek version of OrthodoxWiki - where the saints are categorized as we mention them in the Church - as Apostles, Martyrs, Monks etc. I guess that's why the national category ''Greek'' is missing - (metanoia to the greeks for that)!

Thus, I would like to suggest that the Saints categories of each language are reworked and the national prefix is removed. Of course the national origin of the saint can be mentioned in the text (although it can often be easily disputed), but it is not something that can categorize a saint.

[[User:K.panteleimon|K.panteleimon]] 21:19, May 31, 2009 (UTC)

:As a Greek Orthodox, I grew up knowing Saints for who they where and what they did ... just like you point out ... this idea of "national" saints was introduced to me through the internet - it goes to show that bad habits can spring up from internet as well as the good things. If the administrators are happy to change this philosophy of "nationalism" I am happy to put in the work to change all the articles ... but there would need to be some sort of discussion between the administrators about it. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 02:45, June 1, 2009 (UTC)

:: The grouping of saints into such categories is not for the purpose of nationalism, ethnocentricity, etc. Rather, it is simply for the usefulness of being able to find saints associated with particular geographic areas.

:: The saints are, of course, universal in a theological sense. But people from Corfu, for instance, have a great veneration for St. Spyridon because of his association with that actual place. At my parish, we venerate [[Raphael of Brooklyn]] because he founded it.

:: I'm of the opinion that we might want to rename the various categories to indicate place-names rather than what at least for now appears to be ethnic designations. (Mind you, some designations have no real ethnicity attached to them, e.g. "American" or "Australian.") —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 22:21, June 1, 2009 (UTC)

:Without contradicting the main of what you were saying - the concept of saints as being particularly ''from'' a particular area isn't exactly new. Aside from the concept of patron saints of a country, there are numerous icons and feastdays celebrating All Saints of [Nation/Island/Mountain/Geographic Area] - usual commemoration for this is the sunday after All Saints. — by [[User:Pistevo|Pιsτévο]] ''[[User talk:Pistevo|talk]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|complaints]]'' at 23:14, June 24, 2009 (UTC)

== OrthodoxWiki on Serbian ==

I am interest to develop a sr.OrthodoxWiki.org page. Would anubody can help me?

: Hi there. There used to be a serbian version, if I'm not wrong, the responsible person was Далибор Ђурић, a theology student at the faculty of Belgrade (That was written on his user page). However, I don't know what exactly Fr. John meant with this [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza#Closing_down_OrthodoxSource_and_SR]] if SR was the serbian version... [[User:K.panteleimon|K.panteleimon]] 20:00, June 23, 2009 (UTC)

::Hi! Yes, we closed it does since it had sat uncared for for a long time and didn't have much content to begin with. If you can put a team together, and translate the necessary policy docs, I'd be happy to see this take off again! — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

==Images in Commons and the main Wiki==
Some time ago the file of images that were part of the main body of OrthodoxWiki was transferred to a new sub-set of the Wiki called 'OrthodoxWiki Commons' with instructions that Commons was to be used for uploading images files. But the older set of files remain in the main body and is addressable through the 'Starting points' of the Main Page of OrthodoxWiki. One can still upload images to the old file set. Since the original image files are still usable, a number of contributors still use the old images file system and the images are 'lost'!

I suggest that the old file system be removed from OrthodoxWiki and that the Main Page Images 'Starting points' be changes to directly work with the Commons system so that images can be placed in only one system of files. There are a number of image files that need to be transferred from the old file set to Commons, such as those added and used in the article [[Studenica Monastery]].
:Notice now that the Studenica images are in Commons. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 19:53, August 20, 2009 (UTC)

I also notice rummaging through the 'cellars' of Commons that some contributors have uploaded articles to Commons that probably should have been uploaded to the main Wiki. In this regard Commons needs a little cleanup. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 15:03, August 20, 2009 (UTC)

== The Legal Status of the Ecumenical Patriarchate ==

Interesting site and article:

[http://www.ortodoksi.net/index.php/The_Legal_Status_of_the_Ecumenical_Patriarchate The Legal Status of the Ecumenical Patriarchate]

[[User:HAP|HAP]] 07:12, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

: More:

: [http://www.ortodoksi.net/index.php/Written_question Turkey's delay in introducing protection for the rights of religious minorities]
: [[User:HAP|HAP]] 07:53, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

:: And more:

:: [http://www.ortodoksi.net/images/f/f1/Tr_rapport_2009_en.pdf TURKEY 2009 PROGRESS REPORT, look at pages 22 ->]

:: [[User:HAP|HAP]] 14:14, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

== Hands of Jesus and the Saints in icons ==

I was wondering what the sign Jesus and the saints make with their right hand means. Is it a form of the sign of the cross? Also, why do some vary? I know of two different stlyes. One in which the pinky is up, and other in which it is down. Sometimes the fingers don't touch. Other times the palm is facing in, not out. What is this significance?

== Hands of Jesus and the Saints in icons ==

I was wondering what the sign Jesus and the saints make with their right hand means.
Is it a form of the sign of the cross? Also, why do some vary?
I have seen several different forms of this.
One in which the pinky is up, and other in which it is down.
Sometimes the fingers don't touch.
Other times the palm is facing in, not out.
What is this significance?==Serbian language articles

I believe it is the blessing sign. When Christ,
Saints and Orthodox priests show their hand with the
pinky up they make the famous initials of Christ
IC XC,(meaning Jesus Christ) with their hand. Even when you go to Divine
Liturgy when the priest offers peace to us he does the
sign with his right hand.

==Serbian language articles==
I'm confused! Shouldn't the many Serbian language articles by Dilic be presented in Orthodoxwkl as a separate "Related Site" in Other Languages as are the many others? i.e., Arabic, Bulgarian, etc. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 18:06, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

== polish orthodox wiki ==

what do you think about polish orthodox wiki? Could it start running?

== German? ==

I speak and write in German. I would be interested in starting German pages, how would I do so? [[User:Lukasbreen|Lukasbreen]] 03:01, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

==1500 ro articles==
At May 27, 2010, ro.OrthodoxWiki.org achieved 1500 articles. :-) --[[User:Inistea|Inistea]] 23:38, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

==Monastery Sub-Categories==
I notice that we have a mixed definition of placement of monasteries in the monastery sub-categories. There is a mix of monasteries based geographically and "ethnically", that is by jurisdiction. This is confusing and heightens ethnic deviousness, especially in the new worlds. I recommend the sub-category assignments be made on a geographical basis only. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 23:51, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

:Hi Wsk, I think it might be helpful to sort by jurisdiction and don't find it divisive. -— [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 04:51, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

==Aubert of Avranches - Orthodox Saint?==
Greetings. I have a question as to whether [[w:Aubert of Avranches|Aubert of Avranches]] (+720) is in the Orthodox Canon of Saints, (Western Church Saint). The Wikipedia article says his feast day is Sept. 10, but I did not find him under that date here in OW. Checked a couple other sites too, no luck. Apparently the Archangel Michael is said to have appeared to him three times. Any idea? (Here is the entry from the Timeline of Church History article):

*709 Bp. [[w:Aubert of Avranches|Aubert of Avranches]] founds the monastery of [[w:Mont Saint-Michel|Mont Saint-Michel]], after the [[Archangel Michael]] appeared him in 708, instructing him to build a church on the rocky islet; [[w:Mont Saint-Michel|Mont Saint-Michel]] becomes popular and prestigious as a centre of pilgrimage.
Cheers, [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 21:45, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

==Proposed Category re:Saints==
I was over at the [http://orthodoxengland.org.uk/saintsa.htm OrthodoxEngland] website, and I noticed the very interesting title for the list of saints as '''“Latin Saints of the Orthodox Patriarchate of Rome”'''. I was thinking it would be nice to have a category to group all the Western Orthodox Saints. It could be called a variety of things, such as '''“Western Orthodox Saints”''', or '''“Western Saints of the Orthodox Church”''', but I think the way it is called at ''Orthodox England'' is far better. I propose we create the category with that name: ''Category:Latin Saints of the Orthodox Patriarchate of Rome''.

I understand that the need to have such a distinction is not as important here on OW, as say it would be on Wikipedia for example, because on Wikipedia all Orthodox Saints have the sole category “Eastern Orthodox Saints” (apart from a few other ethnicity or geography based categories). To put “Eastern Orthodox Saints” today on say, a Welsh saint, while accurate, is also a touch misleading or ambiguous/not smooth. And so, I am wondering, what would be the best title for such a category? I think it deserves a category of its own. -— Cheers, [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 21:45, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

==Psalter==
anyone know anything about the quote on the article titled [Psalter], from "one modern commentator," about the Psalter is the golden thread running through the fabric of Orthodox worship? I'd like to know who said that...I might be able to use it in an essay I'm writing about a completely different topic :)
Thanks,
Manoli

==Thumbnails Error==
I have tried to include images on articles a few times today, and i reciece the follwong error, whether I use the "thumb" syntax or a size syntax (such as 300px)..same error:

:Error creating thumbnail: 
:Warning: passthru() has been disabled for security reasons in
:/home/owiki/public_html/shared/includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 1839 

Any ideas?
Thanks, [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 21:03, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

::Images feature is not functional. Several uploads are not appearing. [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 00:34, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

==World map of Orthodox jurisdictions==
I think it would be great to have a world map that shows the boundaries between the canonical territories of the autocephalous and autonomous Churches. Currently these are only described in words in their respective articles, and it's difficult (at least for me) to picture it all in my head. -- [[User:Veshy|Veshy]] 04:40, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I just made one myself, but I'm not sure all of the canonical borders are correct. Please review it and leave comments:
http://commons.orthodoxwiki.org/Image:World_canonical_territories.png
-- [[User:Veshy|Veshy]] 04:24, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

I think that such a map would be a very useful resource. Thank you for taking up this task! Here are a few general comments:
* Constantinople claims '''all''' lands outside what it considers "established boundaries" of other local Churches. That means Constantinople claims Western and Central Europe, the Far East, the Americas, the Indian subcontinent, South-East Asia, Australia and Oceania as its own. That means all the "grey space" as well as some areas claimed by Russia and OCA.
* The above Constantinopolitan claim, of course, is not accepted by such Churches as Antioch, Russia, Georgia, Rumania, Serbia, Bulgaria, Poland, OCA, and perhaps others, which have their own parishes and monasteries in the "diaspora". So, most of the "grey space" would actually be rainbow-colored.
* There are overlapping jurisdictions in Hungary - in addition to Serbian, there are Russian, Rumanian and Constantinopolitan churches.
* I am not sure Antioch claims anything to the East of Iraq. On the other hand it does claim a bit of southern Turkey.
* Georgian Church, in addition to Georgia proper, claims only small enclaves in northern parts of Turkey, Armenia and Azerbaijan (here's their ecclesiastical map - http://www.orthodoxy.ge/tsnobarebi/eparkiebis_ruka.jpg)
* Maybe Eastern Europe deserves a close-up - it's hard to distinguish boundaries over there. [[User:INK|INK]] 02:09, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

== Mixing Wine and Water - Leavened Bread? ==

Not sure this is the right place for this, so I hope I don't upset anyone. I was hoping to find the answer to this here.

I've been searching for the original church and believe the Orthodox church is as close as one will get. However, there are a number of things I don't understand and do not seem to mesh with Scripture.

Why, in the liturgy, do Priests put water into the wine, the blood of Christ? This seems sacrilegious to me.

Why, in the liturgy, is leavened bread used by the Orthodox? The last supper was a passover meal and would have used unleavened bread. Leaven signifies sin and was not allowed in Jewish homes during Passover.

I have queried other sites on this and gotten some answers, but not the same answers and none with authoritative sources. Does an authoritative answer exist?

[[User:Alf|Al]] 00:26, January 15, 2011 (UTC)
alf.

"Why, in the liturgy, do Priests put water into the wine, the blood of Christ?"
== One possible explanation for this could be found here: John 19:34 (RSV) one of the soldiers pierced His side and out poured blood and water.--[[User:Zosimas|Zosimas]] 13:09, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

"Why, in the liturgy, is leavened bread used by the Orthodox?"

Perhaps this will help? [http://www.prosphora.org/page27.html Leavened versus Unleavened Bread] --[[User:Zosimas|Zosimas]] 13:25, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

== Hi, I'm Italian ==

I hope Orthodox wiki in Italian, i'll wrinting about Ortodossia ! Thanks

User talk:Joe Rodgers

2011-01-19T13:25:49Z

Raggiodisole:

== [[Deanery]] ==

Were you aware that your source (La Crosse) is Roman Catholic? I don't know whether it makes any difference in the definition of a deanery, but I thought I should point it out anyway. {{User:Magda/sig}} 07:41, January 19, 2006 (CST)

:Yes I was. I am certainly not against Catholic, Protestant, or anything for that matter, when it coincides with truth. I was not able to find a reasonable online source from an Orthodox perspective and thought that these words were appropriate for Orthodox deaneries as well. [[User:Joe Rodgers|Joe]] 20060119

== Pic ==

Nice to see you Joe! {{User:FrJohn/sig}}

And you know, somehow I thought you were older than you appear to be. :) {{User:ASDamick/sig}} 16:39, January 19, 2006 (CST)

== Menologion ==
Joe, this is Aleks. I got you message recently. Can you elaborate in an e-mail on what exactly you're interested in making? I think it would be great to have Menologion and OW work together, but I want to figure out the logistics first.

== Hi ==
Dear Joe, Thanks (belatedly) for your welcome note!
Best, [[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:39, June 28, 2006 (CDT)

== Your sig ==

I've noticed that your sig isn't coming out quite right when you sign posts. If you want to use the template approach, you'll need to check the "Raw signatures (without automatic link)" box in your preferences on the "User profile" tab. —[[User:ASDamick|Dcn. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Randompage|random]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] 15:23, August 10, 2006 (CDT)

== IRC Channel still up? ==

Hi Joe,

I just checked up on the IRC channel and I received the following messages:
:ChanServ changed this room to require operator status to change the topic. (11:46AM) 
[11:46AM] ChanServ made this room no longer a secret. (11:46AM) 
[11:46AM] You were demoted from operator by ChanServ. (11:46AM) 

Given my IRC inexperience, maybe this is nothing to worry about - just normal, but I wanted to make sure our channel is still up and running in good standing, not quashed due to inactivity. What is the freenode policy on this?

Thanks! — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 09:49, May 26, 2007 (PDT)

== Active appeal ==

There's currently an active appeal over at [[OrthodoxWiki talk:Administrators]]. If as an admin, you would like to participate, please feel free to do so. Thanks! —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 16:01, August 19, 2008 (UTC)

== Hi, I'm Italian ==

I hope in Orthodox in Italian... i'll writing in Italian... about Ortodossia!!

User:Raggiodisole

2011-01-19T11:46:12Z

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